Which of these forenames is the correct one for my 2nd great-grandfather?

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I am not certain which is the correct forename for my father's maternal great-grandfather.

In the marriage record for my paternal maternal great-grandmother, Lone Oliver and her brother Edward Wesley Oliver Olliver-372 have the forename as William. In the Iowa State Census of 1925, Lone lists his forename as James http://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTSW-TK6 whilst Edward lists his name as Edward https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKQ4-LNH9 . Then their obits and death certificates state his fore name as either Edward (Lone) or John (Edward W). I am not sure which is correct since all the records conflict.

I would assume the marriage records for Lone and her brother contain the same forename name that would be correct one. What make me question even that is correct is that I cannot find their parents in any census before 1870. I find a William Oliver family in the area but he is married to someone else. I only find Lone and her mother in the 1870 census. Lone and Edward Wesley's "mother" dies in 1887. In most records Edward Wesley Oliver list his mother as "unknown" so I question if Lone's mother isn't his step-mother since there is nine years between Edward Wesley and Lone. I do share dna with Edward Wesley descendants so they were at least half-siblings.

Thanks in advance

WikiTree profile: Lone Knoebel
in Genealogy Help by L. Harrington G2G6 (9.1k points)

L., I gather it is Olliver-373 whose name you are trying to figure out.  I think the best thing you can do is write up a research note for his profile, laying out all the evidence and citing your sources, including links and summaries of the information.  That will give people a good start on helping you evaluate the evidence.

I have added the addition information on http://[[Olliver-373|Edward Olliver (abt.1825-abt.1880)]] with the links requested

That is much better.  I've made a note on one of the sources.

I'd be inclined to disregard the listing of "John" on the son's death certificate.  It would be useful to figure out who the informant was.

It would also be useful to find the family on a census--say, 1860, 1870...just to tie them all together.
I have yet to find any census records to tie them all together. I cannot find Edward Wesley Oliver (son) and his parent in the 1860 Federal Census. The 1870 census Lone Oliver is living in the household of William Grant with her mother. The son Edward Wesley Oliver is not with them nor is their father.
I couldn't find those early censuses either, although I only looked briefly.  Did you try looking page by page through the National 1860 census?  (That's the town where Edward was born the year before).  Sometimes there are misspellings, mis-transcriptions, etc. which keep you from finding them with a usual search.

It would be useful to figure out what happened between the parents.

I suspect that this entry in the  1870 US Census might be Edward W Oliver (son). https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/35283515:7163?tid=77826622&pid=202074597531&queryId=76a9d8e08c091692de2209bbf4a2c645&_phsrc=srX1544&_phstart=successSource

Text: Edward Alford; Age: 12; Birth Date: 1858; Birthplace: Iowa; Dwelling no. 113; Home in 1870: Farmersburg, Clayton, Iowa; Race; White; Gender: Male; Post Office; Farmersburg; Occupation: At Home; Attends School: Yes; Household members: James Crawford 62; Ellenore Crawford 65; Mose Crawford 85; Edward Alford 12

Reason why I suspect this may be Edward Wesley Oliver (son) is in 1880 US Federal Census for Giard, Clayton County, Iowa, his sister Lone Oliver is working/living in the household of James' son Marshal Crawford. I have distant DNA matches with descendants of three children of James and Ellenore Crawford's. (40cM and below). My hypothesis is that the Crawford family may have been related to Lone and Edward but they not direct ancestors of myself.

Yes, Alford and Oliver could sound similar, especially to someone not familiar with the family.

So it seems that the father disappeared and the rest of the family broke up and went to live with either relatives or, perhaps, neighbors?

I see that the person who created the profile is still on WikiTree and making an occasional contribution.  There is a source that simply says "marriage certificate."  Maybe she could be asked to provide more information? (The marriage certificate wouldn't tell you what happened to him later, but it might still be useful to learn what information it included, especially if it was his and not one of the children's).
It does appear that the father does 'disappeared'- assuming he was ever part of the family unit to begin with. It is difficult to say what may have happened since there is not an internment record for the father - nor for Lone and Edward Wesley (son) mother. Since Clayton Co., Iowa is along the Mississippi River, close to the Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois borders, and had major rail road lines in the area, so he could have died out of state or, as my later father used to say, Taken his hat in his hand (abandoned his family).

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Your use of "internment" triggered a thought - perhaps he was institutionalized - either hospital or jail. You might check those in the census to see if you find someone similar to his name (they don't always get it right).  Also be sure to check the 1875 and 1885 Iowa State Censuses.
by Diana Crisman G2G2 (2.7k points)
I will check the institutions. Sadly he is not listed in the 1885 Iowa State census and the 1875 Iowa State census is only agricultural census. It does list state representatives and judges but not the rest of the population.  I also looked at the 1859 Iowa state census but again it was only an agricultural census.

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