Welsh immigrants to Pennsylvania 1682

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I've been working with the Pennsylvania Settlers project creating profiles for the immigrants that came to Pennsylvania in 1681 and 1682 with William Penn.  We have a group of Welsh emigrants from Merionethshire in North Wales aboard Lyon.  Wondering if someone from the Wales project familiar with the "ap" names or this group of emigrants could have a go at finding / creating profiles for these folks?

page for Lyon here

in Genealogy Help by Andrea Powell G2G6 Mach 4 (45.3k points)
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Is that the Edward Roberts who's said to have married Anne Humphrey?

I've got the Anne [[Humphrey-2321]] that he's said to have married, according to the old books.  But she'd have been a bit old for him, and I've seen a claim that he actually married a different Anne Humphrey.

Humphrey-2321 had a sister Rebecca said to have married Edward Rees of Merion as his 2nd wife.  Did your Edward ap Reese remarry?

 

Ap_Evan-16 looks like the Owen ap Evan who married Gainor and had Jane, wife of Hugh Roberts.  But Gainor has got her first name turned into her surname.  She used to be John-450.

 

The plot thickens.  The Edward Roberts who didn't marry that Anne Humphrey, he married the other one, he may not have been that Edward Roberts, he may have been a different Edward Roberts.

There were only about 2 dozen Welsh people in the entire Western hemisphere, but they still couldn't think up enough different names to have one each.

 

Yep, looks like it was your Edward ap Reese who married 2nd Rebecca Humphrey-2317, sister of the wrong Anne.  Also sister of Daniel, who married Hannah Wynne, sister of Mary, who married Dr Jones.  Also cousin of Rebecca Owen, who married Robert Owen, son of Owen ap Evan and Gainor.

Don't see a profile for Edward anywhere.

 

Looks like Wynne-819 is a dupe of Wynne-38, though the details don't all match.  So that's a couple of Joneses.  And Mary's son Jonathan married Gainor Owen, the daughter of her brother-in-law's cousin.
I picked this up again and found the Gwynedd Friends Meeting History Page (http://www.gwyneddmeeting.org/history/history.htm), with a great deal of information.  Working through the Roberts/Cadwallader line (http://www.gwyneddmeeting.org/history/roberts.htm)

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I would love help with this too - sorting out the MANY Llewellyn Davis's who are part of that group, along with the supposed Davis (or David) brothers: Thomas, James, etc., and WHO THEIR PARENTS WERE??  David ap Griffith?
by Lisa Javorka G2G2 (2.3k points)

They could certainly use some help!  I've found a good source here:

Merion in the Welsh Tract by Thomas Allen Glenn

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924010481723

I've found branches of several families of already started on wikitree, but several are pretty tangled.  I was looking at them again last night wondering where to start.

Ferch_John-6

Owen-1438

Ap_Owen-9

Ap_Evan-16

The families aboard Lyon included the  "ap Reese", "ap Edward" and "ap Owen" families and are related.

http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:Lyon%2C_sailing_of_1682

 

Yes Andrea, I joined Wikitree hoping that someone else had already figured these guys out!!  wink

Seriously though, what do experienced users find to be good sources of actual documentation for this time period?  I've been limited to what I can find online - the PA Archives, etc., and have been surprised at how little actual documentation is available for this time period and place - especially considering how historically important the Penn colony is.

Could part of the problem be the repeated re-drawing of the counties around Philadelphia?  There are locations that seem to have been, at one point of time or another, in the following counties: Philadelphia, Chester, Montgomery, Schuylkill....I can find some marriage records, but no birth records at all, even into the 1830's.

So where do you look for records?  In the "latest" county?  The contemporaneous county?  Difficult to determine where the individuals were at any of those times!

I've been working with the Quaker records and have found them to be a treasure trove of information.

The early Philadelphia land records are also online, including images of many documents

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/land_records/3184

I've also be fortunate to find several published genealogies - of various degrees of documentation of course.

Take a look at "Merion in the Welsh Tract" (link above) that is a good source for the early Welsh contingent.

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