Do you know the wife or parents of Samuel Todd of Belfast Ireland? Father of John and William Alexander Todd 1880s.

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Samuel Todd was recorded as the father of John Todd and William Alexander Todd at their respective marriages to Catherine Dow Cowan and Elzabeth McCammond in 1879 and 1883.

John Todd was my great grandfather.

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eddie
in Genealogy Help by Eddie Brittain G2G Crew (410 points)

William Alexander Todd married Catherine Dow Cowan, rather than Elizabeth McCammond.

William Alexander Todd
mentioned in the record of Annie Cowan Todd
Name: William Alexander Todd
Gender: Male
Wife: Catherine Dow Cowan Todd
Daughter: Annie Cowan Todd
Other information in the record of Annie Cowan Todd
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Name: Annie Cowan Todd
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Sep 1880
Birthplace: Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Father's Name: William Alexander Todd
Mother's Name: Catherine Dow Cowan Todd
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01064-3 , System Origin: Ireland-EASy , GS Film number: 256064 , Reference ID: v 1 p 192
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"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FP7S-G72 : accessed 4 April 2015), William Alexander Todd in entry for Annie Cowan Todd, 17 Sep 1880; citing Belfast, Antrim, Ireland, reference v 1 p 192; FHL microfilm 256,064.

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William Alexander Todd
Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name: William Alexander Todd
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1869
Birthplace: Ireland
Father's Name: John Todd
Mother's Name: Jane Love
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01201-1 , System Origin: Ireland-EASy , GS Film number: 101186 , Reference ID: v 7-1 p 177
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"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPD2-HX1 : accessed 4 April 2015), William Alexander Todd, 22 Mar 1869; citing Ireland, reference v 7-1 p 177; FHL microfilm 101,186.
by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.2m points)
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Many thanks Frank,

and you are quite right john Todd married Elizabeth McCammond.

Eddie
Cheers for that Frank,

unfortunately it's not my William Alexander Todd as he was born about 1847

eddie
Thanks Frank.

My Great grandfather William Alexander Todd married Catherine Dow Cowan in Ireland. 1869 would mean he died at 46, I think this is about right, I don't have his birth date or place (thought it was Scotland?) but he died Mar 13 1915 in Belfast. Was his father John  or Samuel Todd? Would appreciate any help on this.

Thanks, Ann
Hi Ann

my William Alexander Todd born 1847 married Catherine Dow COWAN 1879. His father was Samuel.

we think but are not 100% sure his brother was John Todd, my great Grandfather.

all the best

Eddie
Hi Eddie,

If we share this W A Todd, how sure are you about Samuel being his father? Do you have any other info? I seem to have been hitting a brick wall since I started researching this line! Which of their daughters is your relative. My gran was the youngest, Marge.

hoping to hear from you, Ann

Terrific to hear from you Ann,

I know what you mean by brick wall! The Todds are an elusive lot.

Todd connections:

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We are keen to try and find evidence which would confirm a family relationship between William Alexander 'Lex' Todd ( your Great grandfather ) and John Todd (my Great Grandfather).  They may have been brothers but as yet we aren't 100% certain, though I think it is almost there.

 

The Evidence so far

A  Mr & Mrs W.A. Todd sent wreaths to the funerals of John Todd's parents in law, as reported in the Belfast Newsletter.

 

At the marriage in 1883 between John Todd and Elizabeth McCammond the church register notes a Lec Todd was a witness.  I think this may have been a transcript error and should have said Lex.

 

At the marriage of William Lex Todd to Catherine Dow COWAN   in 1879 in York St,  John Todd is recorded as witness.

 

Samuel Todd is recorded as the father of both John and of William Alexander at their weddings.

 

John Todd was Managing Director of Gibson Co. Ltd, jewellers, Belfast.  L P has a letter written by Alexander (Lex) Pearson Cowan in 1918 in which he mentions Gibson Jewellery!!  Lex Cowan was a son of James Cowan (brother of Catherine Dow Todd nee Cowan). He served in Australian Army in Europe during WW1 and visited the Todd family in Belfast when he was on leave in March 1918.  He wrote a fabulously detailed letter back to his parents in Australia updating them about everyone in the Todd family and in one section he writes:- ‘In the evening at the kind invitation of Willie Todd (of Gibson’s Jewellery warehouse) we went to the pictures and to ‘The Carlton’ for supper’.

Willie Todd, who my mum remembers well, also worked for Gibson Bros. And indeed my mum says The Carlton would have been a popular place for the family to go to. It was directly opposite Gibson Bros in Donegal Place, Belfast.

 

coincidences? -

the Todd family connections with ‘building’ and Lord Mayors of Belfast:-

John Todd married Elizabeth M’Cammond, daughter of Wm. M’Cammond, whose occupation was ‘builder’ and was Lord Mayor 1894-95

Muriel Todd, daughter of Wm. Alex. Todd, married Robert Steven Boag, an architect, and grandson of Sir Robert Boag, Lord Mayor 1876-77

Kathleen (Catherine) Todd, daughter of Wm. Alex. Todd, married Thomas Houston, an architect

 

The 6 daughters William Lex and Annie Cowan were: Annie Cowan Todd (b. 1880); Ethel Elizabeth Todd (b. 1882); Catherine Todd (b. 1884); Jessica Kinloch Todd (b. 1886); Isabel Muriel Todd (b. 1888) and Margaretta Millar Todd (b. 1891).  the first girl was named after her maternal grandmother Annie Dow Cowan.  So perhaps the second girl would be named after her paternal grandmother, Elizabeth McCammond?

 

John and Lex both ran 'shops'/businesses in Belfast City centre only 5-10 minutes walk apart.

 

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Just by way of explanation, I've added your WA Todd's family to the online

tree with the note that we do not yet know if he is indeed related to John

Todd.  I thought that by including them Ancestry.co.uk might come up with

some evidence.

If it turns out he isn't a relative then he can be removed, however, I'm

hopeful we will find some definitive proof.

 

I think you may know LP and CM from Melbourne?  They have kindly sent much info to add to what I already had.

Please feel free to email me, I think you can get it on Wikitree?

My family Tree is on Ancestry.co.uk and is called "Tree June 2014"

there are lots of details there and some great photos.  Look in the media gallery for each individual.

all the best

 

Eddie

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William Alexander Todd

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

birth:

1847

death:

January 1915 / March 1915

Belfast, Ireland

     

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William Alexander Todd

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

marriage:

July 1879 / September 1879

Belfast, Ireland

     

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William Alexander Todd

Father

Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

 

spouse:

Catherine Dow Cowan Todd

child:

Annie Cowan Todd

Hi,

I've never thought about our family tree until my Dad gave me an envelope to throw away and in it were birth and death certificates, including his dad's, namely Samuel Alexander Todd, brother of Robert John and father was John Todd^, a Foreman Shipping Agent in Belfast, co. Antrim.  He passed away 1941 at the age of 30.  Looking at all the posts here, I'm wondering if there is any relation.

Samuel Todd married Joananna Bamber in April of 1936 and a Harry Todd is recorded as "witness"

Would love any feedback.  I might start digging a bit deeper, as we have no other records of the Todd family.
Hi Kerry,

Great to hear from you. Your Todd family certainly share the right batch of christian names, however I haven't any evidence of a relationship with my lot, at least not yet.  If I find any I'll let you know.

My family tree is hosted on ancestry.co.uk and is called "tree June 2014" you might like to have a look and see if you can spot any connections. If you look in the media tab for an individual you might find their profile.

All the best!

Good hunting

Eddie
Ann,

Are there any male descendants of your Wm Alexander Todd living?

Getting a DNA sample from one of them might help link them to their Todd family of origin.

 

Richard McMurtry
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If you Google Todd Families in America Descriptive Living Project Through Fourteen Generations by Glenda Dobbs you may find further Todd info.

Leila
by Leila Tweed G2G1 (1.2k points)
Thanks Leila

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