Oh yes, this was just a thought that I had last night....
I think the important things are as follows
1. There is no way that John 1588 can be the child of Lady Agnes de Clare. I can provide supporting evidence for this, but it hinges on Gilbert and Agne's death dates.
2. We know there are many references of Agnes marrying Robert Spofford. There is very little chance that it was the Robert from the 16th century... reference above point.
3. We have zero source informtion to suggest that Agnes married a 14th century Robert Spofford. This is only a possibilty, and perhaps something to try to reference with future research.
I will put together proofs for merging of the profiles linked in the original G2G, and removal of Agnes-Spofford lineage.
Eyestone, thank you so much for your reply... I agree that in the format that I added, it is a bit difficult. However, this is a preliminary way for me to "put together" my thoughts on the differences, possible reasons behind the error and to get people started talking about how to source the solution.
I was of the understanding that G2G was for communicatio nand discussion of the topics, and that not everything needed sourcing immediately. I'm not editing the profiles, or adding anything to them. I agree that it would be nice to look at the source information of that. But, asking me to post that when I am merely stating some possibilities is a bit controlling.
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To claim "both Clare-11 and Spofford-19 have the incorrect birth dates" - just show the proofs.
Okay, this is understandable... but I felt like I did not need to source the information that would already be cited on the original Spofford and Clare profiles. I thought that linking those profiles to this G2G would be not needed. I also thought that proposing the merge would not be needed. Reading your response, I realize that I could have put just a little bit of extra effort into the G2G and provided a much more concise telling of my position. I believe this was your point. (and I thank you for your patience in showing the best collaborative process).
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If their births are off by two centuries, what do you propose for the missing 6-8 generations or would they no longer be connected to the colonial immigrant?
You are right... I did not discuss this in my original post. There was supporting evidence that John was indeed lineage, as was verified by Markham Spofforth Esquire of London. http://imgur.com/c0VubBP
To me, this satisfies the question of Spofford to Spofford lineage. I thought the mention of lost generation was interesting from https://spaf.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/spaffordspofforth-family-history-trivia/ But it can not adequately explain the gap between 14th and 16th centuries.
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and on the other hand you suggest they both have John Spofford's 1588 birth date off by two centuries
While not explained well, this was merely thought process into HOW Burke's could be so incorrect. There are three possibilities here. 1) The relationship never happened 2) They made an error in listing BOTH Gilbert and Agne's ages (very doubtful) 3) They made an error listing John's birthdate.
It is this third possibility that I suggest the possibility that Burke misinterpreted something on his records..... Regardless if that is the case, or it is just false.. the same conclusion is made. Burke's relationship is erroneous. Proposing that I know the solution to the true relationship would be a stretch other than the vague possibilites that I have discussed.
I think it is important to discuss the possibilities, in order to give researchers an idea of what path to follow, or where to look.
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Lastly, I would like to add something that is quite intriguing and adds weight to the argument for support of Burke's relationship (with wrong dates).
Very Simply, Spofford is descendant of http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bourchier-37 who is the grandfather of http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Windsor-1
I can contend that this does nothing to prove the relation of Spofford to Clare. However, it does give creedence to the lineage of Spofford. This does not prove anything credible, because the link is to my 4th Great GF of circa 1781.