Which Soccer (Football) Player are you most closely connected to?

Question

The Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) World Cup finals coming soon, so we're featuring David Beckham and other famous footballers in the Connection Finder this week.

Featured alongside him are:

• Sir Bobby Charlton
• Johan Cruijff
• Mia Hamm
• Gil Heron
• Harry Kane
• Alfred Lyttelton
• Cuthbert Ottaway
• Bert Patenaude
• Kyle Rote
• Laurence Tetley

Which one is most closely connected to you? If you're one of the 25.4 million of us who are connected to each other on our big tree you can check with the Connection Finder.

You can check for shared ancestors with the Relationship Finder. Are you a cousin to any of them? Your Relationship Finder Quick Links page (see your profile pull-down menu under "Relationships") has quick links for several notable groups.

Special feature: Check out how you're connected to other notables by using the green MyConnections button in the upper right hand corner of the category page. Browse related categories like Association Football Players, Australian Rules Football, and England International Football Players.

Let us know how you're related below! If you want to share your connection on social media with cousins and friends, click the "get shareable image" below the results, e.g. David Beckham and Mia Hamm. Then just upload it along with the URL of your direct connection. (Please refrain from sharing your connection on the featured profiles themselves, though. It clutters conversations on research and collaboration. Thanks!)

Help us with next week's feature: Secretaries of State. Help us choose and improve profiles for it.

Comments

No, the World Cup is not yet happening, but the draw of the groups for the World Cup will be on Friday.

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Help:Connection_Finder says “ In order to provide instant results we build a special database once a day. It's rebuilt late at night.”. What does ‘late at night’ mean for the WikiTree community, which spans the globe? This should probably be rewritten to cite the actual Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)!

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It is usually at 9am Slovenian time. No matter if there is DST or not.

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That's about 7am GMT or, as we in the UK are now in BST, then it's 8am BST.

Answer 1

I am most closely connected to Alfred Lyttelton at 21 degrees.

Answer 2

17 degrees from Bert Patenaude (7th cousins, 2x removed)
17 degrees from Kyle Rote (13th cousins, 1x removed)
21 degrees from Alfred Lyttelton (10th cousins, 7x removed)
22 degrees from Cuthbert Ottaway
23 degrees from Laurie Tetley
25 degrees from Gilbert Heron
26 degrees from Mia Hamm-Garciaparra
29 degrees from David Beckham
30 degrees from Johan Cruijff
36 degrees from Harry Kane
39 degrees from Bobby Charlton

Answer 3

I am closest to Alfred Lyttleton at 14 degrees.  The other numbers are considerably higher.

Answer 4

Of the football players featured - I'm most closely related to Alfred Lyttelton K.C. (1857-1913) at 16 degrees, who is my 7th cousins twice removed & Laurie Tetley also at 16 degrees.

Everyone else is between 23  to 34 degrees away. 

Even closer is one not featured - an Australian rules, Collingwood player and President of CFC - Harry Curtis (1892-1968) - who is a second cousin once removed & 6 degrees from me.

Comments

Yes, but where is Harry Curtis on WikiTree?

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Here Harry Richard Curtis it is.

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Abby is limited by numbers so, some make the cut, and some don't.  Find a picture for Richard Curtis, and he stands more of a chance.

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No worries, Ros. There must be thousands of great footballers. I wasn't expecting Harry Curtis to make the cut, just commenting on the fact that we had a notable footballer in our family.

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I've linked his FindAGrave profile, which has one. Handsome chap.

Answer 5

18 degrees from Laurie Telley

20  degrees from Alfred Lyttelton

22 degrees from Bert Patenaude

23 degrees from Cuthbert Ottaway

31 degrees from Mia Hamm

32 degrees from Bobby Charlton

33 degrees from Kyle Rote

35 degrees from Harry Kane

36 degrees from Johan Cruijff

36 degrees from Gilbert Heron

Answer 6

*Alfred Lyttleton 12 degrees 9C3R  *Bert Patenaude 18 degrees

Answer 7

• Steven is:
• 25 degrees from Alfred Lyttelton
• 25 degrees from Bert Patenaude
• 27 degrees from Kyle Rote
• 27 degrees from Laurie Tetley
• 29 degrees from Cuthbert Ottaway
• 32 degrees from Mia Hamm-Garciaparra
• 33 degrees from David Beckham
• 35 degrees from Gilbert Heron
• 37 degrees from Johan Cruijff
• 37 degrees from Harry Kane
• 44 degrees from Bobby Charlton
• and 34 degrees from Member of the Week Jemima Winder

Answer 8

I am most closely connected to Alfred Lyttelton at 22 degrees of separation.

• 22 degrees from Alfred Lyttelton
  • 5 branches (2-3-2-3-13)
• 23 degrees from Mia Hamm-Garciaparra
  • 5 branches (4-4-6-5-5)
• 23 degrees from Laurie Tetley
  • 6 branches (8-3-4-2-3-4)
• 24 degrees from Cuthbert Ottaway
  • 6 branches (3-2-4-1-5-10)
• 24 degrees from Bert Patenaude
  • 5 branches (7-1-7-5-5)
• 24 degrees from Kyle Rote
  • 4 branches (8-3-5-9)
• 25 degrees from David Beckham
  • 6 branches (1-10-6-2-2-5)
• 31 degrees from Gilbert Heron
  • 5 branches (6-2-16-4-4) 
• 32 degrees from Harry Kane
  • 6 branches (5-5-2-8-6-7)
• 34 degrees from Johan Cruijff
  • 6 branches (5-6-6-7-6-5)
• 40 degrees from Bobby Charlton
  • 9 branches (5-7-5-5-4-4-4-2-5)

Answer 9

I'm 13 degrees from 'arry Kane, via my dad's aunt Margaret.

Answer 10

Beckham - 34 degrees

Charlton - 38 degrees

Cruijff: 31 degrees

Hamm: 28 degrees

Heron 32 degrees

Kane: 33 degrees

Lyttleton: 15 degrees

Ottaway: 21 degrees

Patenaude: 25 degrees

Rote: 29 Degrees

Tetley: 20 Degrees

Answer 11

I am  30 degrees from David Beckham, 38 degrees from Bobby Charlton, 34 degrees from Johan Cruijff, 26 degrees from Mia Hamm-Garciaparra, 29 degrees from Gilbert Heron, 36 degrees from Harry Kane, 21 degrees from Alfred Lyttelton,(12TH COUSINS 7X), 22 degrees from Cuthbert Ottaway, 21 degrees from Bert (26TH COUSINS 1X), Patenaude, 24 degrees from Kyle Rote(24TH COUSINS 2X), 23 degrees from Laurie Tetley and 27 degrees from Jemima Winder.  .

Answer 12

I have a few 'wicked kikkin' kin:

Bert Patenaude: 14 degrees; 23^rd cousins/2x removed

Alfred Lyttelton: 19 degrees; 11^th cousins 5x removed

Kyle Rote; 24 degrees; 21^st cousins

Answer 13

18 degrees from Alfred Lyttleton. He my fifth cousin, seven times removed.

Answer 14

This seems to be an extremely limited and subjective list of Soccer/Football players, either because few are in WikiTree, or because it is hard to find them. There are hundreds of more soccer players who could be included, if they have profiles in WikiTree and they could be found. 

Even if they are in WikiTree already, identifying them would be difficult because there are few Categories to define them. I cannot even find a category for American Soccer players or Football players from any country other than England. 

IMHO, a lot more work should be done to add the appropriate Categories and Athletes associated with this question. Someone could start with Mia Hamm who has not one category linked to her profile other than "Notables." 

Comments

Beckham has no football related categories either.

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@ Bill Vincent -- you are more than welcome to join in and nominate people for future themes for the Connection Finder.  Abby doesn't work in a vacuum - she relies heavily on names we, the people, suggest to her.  Such names must have a profile image (or one must be findable), and MUST be Connected to the main Tree (I can't tell you how many names I did not nominate because of the lack of Connection, and my perception of how difficult it most likely would be to Connect them in the time).  They should also have a decent biography, if possible (although we have featured the occasional profile with little to no biography).

You are also more than welcome to add "appropriate" categories to any profile.  If that is not possible due to Living status, then you can leave a comment for the Project managing the profile.

Also -- Categories don't just magically happen because you want them.  Someone needs to create them (and we're told there is a very small group of those doing this work), and often they first need to be requested.  Nobody is going to create a category on the off-chance it might be wanted some day.

I apologise in advance if I offend anyone, or appear as impolite.  My words are not intended to have that effect.

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@ Melanie Paul, I have created categories in the past, but I have no idea how to create one for these athletes since they are known variously as Soccer players in the US and as Football players elsewhere. I have no idea where to start. I suspect the the existing categories used for Football players were not created correctly and should probably be moved under a more general category. One purpose for my post was to highlight the need for attention from the Categorization Project.

Considering the above, I do think that the topic of Soccer/Football players for the Connection Finder was a very ambitious choice. The upside is that it might encourage others to research and add more of these athletes to WikiTree. The World Cup takes place in Qatar later this year from 21 Nov 2022 to 18 Dec 2022. Perhaps the presence of those athletes on WikiTree can be improved before then.

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Bill -- maybe we should take this discussion to the planning thread -- Connection Finder Planning 2022  -- as it seems pertinent to future suggestions more than one that has already been featured 

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As to categories from countries other than England, there is:

4 x American Association Football (not applicable for this theme)
3 x Australian
3 x Canadian

Answer 15

Laurie Tetley (20 degrees) and Alfred Lyttleton (21 degrees through Charlotte Guest of Mabinogion fame).

Answer 16

• 18 degrees from Alfred Lyttelton KC MP (1857 - 1913) - 9th Cousin 6 times Removed
• 21 degrees from Joseph Bertrand Arthur Patenaude (1909 - 1974) - 23rd Cousin 1 times removed
• 22 degrees from Cuthbert John Ottaway (1850 - 1878)
• 22 degrees from Laurence Arnold Tetley (1921 - 1994)
• 25 degrees from Mia (Hamm) Hamm-Garciaparra
• 26 degrees from Kyle Rote Jr. - 13th Cousin 1 times Removed
• 27 degrees from David Beckham OBE
• 28 degrees from Gilbert St Elmo Heron (1922 - 2008)
• 33 degrees from Hendrik Johannes Cruijff (1947 - 2016)
• 35 degrees from Harry Kane MBE
• 38 degrees from Bobby Charlton CBE

Answer 17

I am only 16 from Laurie Tetley. BUT Laurie is an Australian Rules Football player. Not 'soccer'!

Answer 18

distantly related to Lyttelton(10/2), Patenaude (23/1) and Rote(12/2)  1st number in parentheses is number of cousin the 2nd is times removed

Answer 19

My Closest Connection is Laurie Tetley at 13 degrees and 16 degrees from Alfred Lyttelton

Answer 20

I'm closest related to Bert Patenaude. He's my 7th cousin, 2x removed.