Cherokee heritage of Redmonds and Cassells.

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Does anybody out there know the Cherokee blood quantum of my 2xgreat grandmother Lizzie Redmond Reeves, or her daughter in law Rebecca Cassell Reeves who was my paternal grandmother's mother?
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Rebecca Adaline Cassell, b. May 12, 1875 (Pickens Co.?), South Carolina; m. M. H. Reeves; d. Apr. 29, 1947, Pickins Co. Buried at the Holly Springs Baptist Church Cemetery, Pickins. She was daughter of Francis Marion Cassell (Casale). In 1880, she is living in Eastatoe, Transylvania, North Carolina, with Fran. M. "Casale" and his wife (her mother?) Adaline. Both parents b. Georgia.  On the Census all are shown as White.

M.H. "Dock" Reeves, b. Oct. 17, 1871 Pickins Co., is also buried at the Holly Creek Baptist Church Cemetery. It appears his first name was Major.  In 1880, Major H. "Reaves"  was living in Nantahala, Swain, North Carolina, with John and Elisabeth M. Reaves.  A daughter Margaret is shown.  On the Census, all are shown as White. His Death Certificate also shows him as White. and his parents as John Reeves and Adaline Redmon, (Could the informant have been mixed up about the mother.)  In 1870, John H. and Elizabeth T. Reaves are living in Union County, Georgia, with a daughter Margaret.  Again, all are shown as White. 

I see that there was a John A Reaves, b. ab 1841, shown as 1/16th Cherokee in 1902, and a John A. Reaves, b. Aug 1841 in TX, as 15/16 White, with a White father and Cherokke mother, living in Muscogee, Creek Nation, Indian Territory, in 1900. I also find some Cassells who are Choctaw, living in Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory in 1900. 

None of these people, living in Indian Territory in 1900, seem to fit with M. H. Reaves or Rebecca Cassell Reaves in South Carolina, who show no Native American connection.

What evidience do you have that they had Cherokee blood?

 

 

by Vic Watt G2G6 Pilot (323k points)
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I know Elizabeth(Lizzie)Redmond Reeves had three brothers, two of which fought for the Confederacy. On their enlistment papers they are listed as 'Indians'. Her other brother, 'Major' Lewis Redmond always claimed to be part Cherokee.
I have read some stuff on Jacob Cassel Whom had a Cherokee, and other wifes from other tribes also know as white hunter.  Also went to war, but due to his marriage of an indian woman was charge with decent.  Castle Woods is named after him.  He had many children.  but I don't know if this and that family are connected.
Amy, I know John Hiram Reeves who married Lizzie Redmond had a mother named Clarissa Hornbuckle, who was listed as a Cherokee on census records. This would lead me to believe that John Hiram Reeves was 1/4 to 1/2 Cherokee. My original query was about the blood quantum of the Redmonds. Rebecca Cassel may have had Cherokee blood, but I don't know her father's name. She married my great grandfather Major Hiram Reeves, named for his dad and Lewis Redmond.
I am the daughter of Leon Cecil Dorman, Sr, his mother was Emma Alice Redmon, whose father was Charles Redmon from Pike County, AL. Several of my siblings look very much Indian. We were told all of our lives that we were part Cherokee Indian, but could not trace anyone back. I saw your post and think that there may be a connection. Please, let me know if you think this may be the same family line. Paula Dorman Baecher
QUOTE> Rebecca Cassel may have had Cherokee blood, but I don't know her father's name.

Her father was Francis Marion CASSELL.

* 1880 Census of NC,Transylvania-Co,Eastatoe (all race=white):
CASALE Fran. M. b=GA
CASALE Adaline  b=GA
CASALE Rebecca;

Here is some info on the REDMOND line ...

.1 Samuel Harris REDMAN=REDMON(D) m=Jemima=Jimamiah BUNCH

He moved from NC,Rutherford-Co to SC,Pendleton-District (later SC,Pickens-Co).

* 1800 Census#2 of SC,Pendleton-District as Saml. REDMAN with 7 household members (later SC,Pickens-Co);

* 1810 Census#3 of SC,Pendleton-District as Saml. REDMAN with 2 adults & 9 "others";

Samuel was on a census of South-Carolina as a free person of colour.
There have also many BUNCH family members that have claimed Indian heritage.

1900s/early Their descendants claimed Indian heritage in a Guion-Miller application which was rejected because it did not meed the government's requirements.

..2 Richard Harris REDMAN-REDMOND=READMOND m=Malinda=Melinda Charity REESE=REECE
He & his "infamous" son Lewis were bootleggers.

...3 Elizabeth=Lizzie M. REDMAN=REDMOND m=John Hiram REEVES=REAVES

...3 Lewis Richard "Major" REDMAN=REDMON(D) m=Adeline=Adline Malinda R. LADD

source: * 1881/09/01/Wednesday Article published on p2 of the `New-York Times' newspaper of NY,New-York-City: "The Notorious REDMOND: The Outlaw to Spend 10 Years in Jail" (from SC,Greenville 1881/08/29).

1884 was granted a pardon by President Chester A. AUTHOR.

source: * Lewis' Wife's Guion-Miller application #35647 "My husband Lewis Richard REDMOND departed this life on April 5, 1906. He was a decendant of Cherokee tribe of indians so I have always been told & can get many ..." with affidavits by J. E. REVIS, S. J. McCALL.

....4 Louise=Louisa REDMAN=REDMOND m=Will(burn) W. KEATON=KEETON

source: * Her Guion-Miller application#40892 stated:
"My grandfather Richard READMOND & my grandmother REDMOND both were said to be part Indian of the Cherokee. My father Lewis Richard REDMOND was of the Cherokee Indian blood so i have been told by himself & ..." with affidavits by S. J. McCALL & J. E. REVIS.

....4 Ida REDMAN=REDMOND m=(J.) Benjamin MOORE

source: * 1907/08/17 Guion-Miller application #35648 stated:
"My father & others has told me he was part indian of the Cherokee tribe.
Can give additional testimony if necissary" with affidavits by John A. TURNER & R. S. PERCABEL=PERCIVAL.

I know some of these applications were rejected am not sure if they all were.
Irregardles of whether the applicant had or did not have indian heritage,
many of the Indian status applications were rejected because they could not prove that their ancestor lived on a reservation on a certain date set by the government.

Family Sheet

 

HUSBAND

Name: Francis Marion Cassell Born: Feb 1840 at Pickens Co., SC Married: Died: 1919 at Pickens Co., SC Father: John Friendly Cassell Mother: Frances Wilson

WIFE

Name: Adeline Reeves Born: 1846 Died: Father: Ansel Reeves Mother: Unknown

CHILDREN

Name: A Tyler Cassell Born: 1868 Died: 1930 Wife: Artie Murphy
Name: Mary Jane Cassell Born: 1869 at Pickens Co., SC Died: Husband: William Alley Cassell
Name: John Ervin Cassell Born: 1 Aug 1871 at Pickens Co., SC Died: 21 Apr 1954 at Easley, Pickens Co., SC Wife: Lucy Morgan
Name: Rebecca Cassell Born: 12 May 1875 at Pickens Co., SC Died: 29 Apr 1947 Husband: M H Reeves
Name: Early Pinkney Cassell Born: 14 Aug 1887 Died: 2 Feb 1967 Wife: Rebecca Elizabeth Gilstrap
Name: Luther Cassell Born: Died: Wife: Mary Lou Cox
Name: Salermy Cassell Born: 1870 at Pickens, Pickens Co., SC Died: Aft 1870

https://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=32949556

Francis Marion Cassell

 

Birth:  Feb. 7, 1840
Pickens County
South Carolina, USA
Death:  Oct. 16, 1919
Pickens County
South Carolina, USA
image
 
Family links: 
 Spouse:
  Adline Cassell (1850 - 1921)
 
 Children:
  John Ervin Cassell (1868 - 1954)*
  Luther Hamilton Cassell (1876 - 1956)*
 
 
Burial:
Secona Baptist Church Cemetery 
Pickens
Pickens County
South Carolina, USA
 
Created by: J. Carter
Record added: Jan 15, 2009 
Find A Grave Memorial# 32949556

https://www.ancestry.com.au/genealogy/records/john-friendly-cassell_33588199

John Friendly Cassell

Found 10 Records, 8 Photos and 173,098 Family Trees

Born in Barnwell, South Carolina, USA on 1784. John Friendly married Milly Allen and had 2 children. John Friendly married Frances Fanny Wilson and had 9 children. He passed away on 18 Jun 1861 in Oolenoy Pickens, South Carolina, USA.

Family Members

Spouse(s)

Milly Allen 
1792-1824

Frances Fanny Wilson 
1816-1862

Children

John Cassell 
1813-1862

Temperence Cassell 
1807-1884

Rose Ann Cassell 
1833-1880

Ephraim Cassell 
1834-1835

Louisa Charlotte Cassell 
1836-Unknown

Nathaniel Anderson Cassell 
1839-1929

Francis Marion Cassell 
1840-1919

Benjamin Adger Cassell
1843-1929

David Hamilton Cassell 
1845-1931

Mary Cassell 
1849-1849

Zelia Ann Cassell 
1852-1853

http://files.usgwarchives.net/sc/pickens/cemeteries/p072.txt

HOLLY SPRINGS BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY, Pickens County, SC
Reeves, Rebecca Cassell, b. 12-may-1875, d. 29-apr-1947; stone with m.h. reeves
 
Reeves, M. H., b. 17-oct-1871, d. 10-aug-1932; stone with rebecca cassell reeves
 

CHURCH/CEMETERY HISTORY:
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The current church members, when it was decided to build a new building, couldn't bear to have the old 
building razed, so it was moved to the Oconee State Park. The Sunday School rooms are missing, but they 
weren't part of the original church. by: Karen Patterson 19-Feb-2006


TOMBSTONE TRANSCRIPTION NOTES:
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a. = age at death
b. = date-of-birth
d. = date-of-death
h. = husband
m. = married
p. = parents
w. = wife
Can you reach out to me about Hiram Reeves?  I have been looking into his past as a possible Descendant of mine in the Reeves ancestry.  I now know that he is not, but a Martin Reeves is, who was married to a Lindy Adkins.  I am wondering if Martin Reeves is a brother of Hiram, and son on Asa Reeves and Clairisa Hornbuckle.  I am hoping to find out info on Martin Reeves, and where he and his wife may be buried, or any info you may have that will help me.

Thank You,

Craig Gardner

(864)991-5633

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