triple cousinship requires research, pre 1700 France

Question

Pierre Raguideau (linked) native of La Flèche, came to the colony in 1653.  He marries in 1659, and among the witnesses named at his marriage contract are Marie ''Mousnier'' and her husband, Marie being cited cousin of the future groom, and Jean Valiquet, ''Cousin because of his wife Renée Loppé ''.

The parents of all 3 are known by name, none matching anybody else, so the relationship needs some digging in records for the area to determine how they are cousins and get them linked.

France project, anybody game for this challenge?

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Hi Danielle,

It appears that the online Sarthe departmental archive images of the (La) Flèche commune Saint-Thomas parish actes appear to start at the year 1633. So images of the actual records prior to that time frame don't appear to be available online there.

The 1634 baptismal record source for Pierre Raguideau for which an image is excerpted at Fichier Origine can be found here in the Sarthe departmental archives:

La Flèche, Cote 1MI_270_R01, Paroisse Saint-Thomas, Registres Paroissiaux, B 1633-1641, S 1633-1644, Baptism Pierre Raguideau, 26 Oct 1634, image 37 of 367

In the chronological index of male baptisms for La Flèche, Cote 1MI_270_R01, Paroisse Saint-Thomas, Registres Paroissiaux, Repertoire des Baptemes - garcons, 1567 - an V, p 5, image 15 of 438, a baptism of Etienne Raguideau is listed as 11 May 1606. It's possible that this is an index of the baptism of Pierre's father, but again there don't appear to be online images of the actual actes prior to 1633 available there.

Edited to update links

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thanks Rick, is there an index for Étienne's marriage perchance?  That might possibly tell us who was present and any relation, might give a clue.  

Renée Loppé's parents have the last names Loppé and mother is Després.

Marie Lemonnier (aka Mousnier)'s parents have the names Lemonnier / Mousnier.. and the mother is Esnault  (can vary wildly)

Renée is actually from another location than Pierre; Marie is from La Flèche, as is Pierre.

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All that's listed in the table/index in the online departmental archive there is a name and date - no other information. The online images of the actual actes doesn't appear to start until 1633.

Also the table/index there of female baptismal names/dates doesn't appear to start until 1709. Marie's date of birth is listed as abt 1615. And again the online images of the actual actes doesn't appear to start until 1633.

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Sorry, misunderstood your question originally ...

There is a table/index for marriages there but it appears to start at 1635. Étienne and Renée were likely married before that time, since Pierre was baptized in 1634.

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thanks Rick, guess this is going to be one of those long term items where someone will have to look at parish archives in person or leaf through notarial acts to see if they can find anything.  

Would have been nice to know, the descendants of all these 3 have a relationship that we don't know the exact nature of.  Connection finder can't work without an actual connection. 

Answer 1

>>Cousin because of his wife

Cousin via in-laws ? Sounds like an early wikitree connection using marraige. Not enough to prevent a marraige.

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Don, the man is cousin because of his wife.  They are present at the signing of his marriage contract.  Still to determine is how said wife is cousin to our man.  No marriage of children is in the books, so not really pertinent.

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Ok I see, that one was wife's cousin.