HSA not viewable on private profiles

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I just noticed that the HSA badge is not viewable to the public on individuals with privacy restrictions.  I think I know the technical reason but I wonder if this is something that could be changed http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rodham-1

WikiTree profile: Hillary Clinton
in Policy and Style by Ed Burke G2G6 Mach 2 (23.2k points)
edited by Chris Whitten
On the other hand, is there a reason not to have a Privacy level of Public or Open on an individual whose full details appear in Wikipedia?  I'm not sure what we're protecting by setting privacy restrictions, then giving a link to Wikipedia where all the hidden details are published.

I might even argue that if an individual profile needs privacy restrictions on it, perhaps the HSA Badge is inappropriate in the first place.

People under 200 can have the HSA badge if they meet Wikipedia's notability standards.

Example: the Queen. She's still living, so can't be Public or Open, but I think it still makes sense for her to have the HSA badge. I manage her profile and the rest of the House of Windsor as part of the Euro aristo group.

I judge from these replies that wikitree policy is that living person profiles must be some form of "Private" level; I was completely unaware of this (although all profiles for living people that I manage should be private or unlisted).  That is really hard to find in the wikitree help (and I read the help pages quite a bit) - we should probably fix that.  I'm fine with it being the rule - I certainly understand that hardcoding the system to protect living people is going to be best in 99.9% of the cases and worth the loss in rare cases like this - but we need to make it an easy to see rule.

The Honor Code simply says "We respect privacy. We privacy-protect anything we think our family members might not want public. If that's not enough for someone, we delete their personal information."  That defined my approach to the matter, but does not put a hard rule that living people cannot have a Public profile.

The Privacy page states "Private is the default setting for profiles of living people." but there's nothing about requirements for living people.  Contrast this with what we say about people born 200 years ago on that same page: "Profiles of people over 200 years old must be Open."  This page probably should have a statement that the profiles of living people cannot be Open or Public.  I'd recommend a statement in both the Open and the Public section that states "Profiles of living people cannot be Open/Public".

The only place I found reference to it is somewhat sideways reference in the Living People page:  "Any profile, unless it's for a person over 200 years old, can be made private by the manager. And any profile, unless the WikiTree system knows it's for a living person, can be made public by the manager." It would probably be good to put a clarifying statement in this paragraph as well that "profiles of living people should never be set to Open or Public".

Well, if people are using the system correctly, they should never have a choice in the matter. If there's no death date, and you don't select "uncertain but definitely non-living" for the death date, then that profile is for a living person, and it's impossible to set the Privacy to Public or Open.

So the only way someone could break that rule is by marking a living person as being dead. And at that point, it would seem that that user is intentionally doing something wrong, so I'm not sure stating the rule would help with them.

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Hi Ed,

We can fix that so that the badge is visible on the public version of private profiles.


P.S. Stephen, I understand your point and agree, but it's a lot simpler to have a rule that works for 99.9% of the people in the system and not make exceptions.
by Chris Whitten G2G Astronaut (1.4m points)
selected by Abby Glann
I think that is the best idea.  For current presidents and a few others that have already made contributions that would be considered Historically Significant I think we should allow the badge.
Hi Chris,

I'm working on the House of Orange at the moment and noticed the same thing, that the badge was not showing.
I came here to check if any one else had noticed this and saw your remark.

It's still not showing,somaybeit escaped your attention? :-)
Thanks for the reminder, Martyn.

This has now been added.

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