July 2022 Newsletter - Magna Carta Project

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July 2022 Newsletter ~ Magna Carta Project
Project Profile of the Month: Elizabeth Grey
Tip of the month: Relationship Terms
Team News

Project Profile of the Month: Elizabeth Grey

Elizabeth Grey was a substantial heiress, inheriting from

  • her father
  • her mother following the death of a half-brother
  • an uncle and
  • that uncle's wife.

This is a good illustration of the way people dying childless, or deaths of siblings, could lead to someone inheriting extensive properties that would not otherwise have passed into their hands.

She married Henry FitzHugh, who supported Henry IV when he seized the English throne from Richard II. They had fourteen known children, five of whom died young, one being drowned in the River Humber.

For one of the daughters, Joan, Douglas Richardson and Cokayne's Complete Peerage give different information relating to her marriage in different places. They both say at one point that Joan married Robert Willoughby, 6th Lord Willoughby of Eresby, one of the senior English commanders over several decades of the Hundred Years' War. But in their entries for Robert himself, they say he married Elizabeth Montagu and Maud Stanhope, and this is what is generally believed. A reminder that all substantial genealogical works have mistakes.

Henry FitzHugh died in January 1425. It appears from a court case that, after his death, custody of at least some of the lands to which Elizabeth was entitled was given to others "under a misapprehension". The mistake was presumably remedied fairly quickly, as her Inquisitions Post Mortem show her a substantial landowner when she died in late 1427.

Her will was an example of medieval piety on a large and expensive scale. She requested burial beside her husband at Jervaulx Abbey, Yorkshire, with 24 torches round her hearse and 25 large candles at the high altar. There were then to be 300 masses sung for her soul as soon as possible, followed by another thousand masses within three months. At this time, there were chantries - chapels, often in larger church buildings, which specialised in singing masses for deceased persons, on what must have been a system rather like a manufacturing conveyor belt, with clerics taking it in turn to sing the masses. A lot of chantries must have been kept employed in the three months after Elizabeth's death - and they would have been well rewarded.

Tip of the Month: Relationship Terms

In the period covered by the Project, wills and other documents often use relationship terms more loosely than they are generally used in legal documents today. In particular,

  • it was common not to distinguish between blood relations and relations by marriage: for instance, "daughter" may mean daughter-in-law, "son" may mean stepson, and "sister" may mean a spouse's sister-in-law;
  • "cousin" could have a wide meaning, indicating little more than "relation" (whether by blood or marriage), and occasionally it is even found used of siblings; and
  • grandchildren are sometimes referred to as sons or daughters.

The context or a last name will often help to clarify the relationship, but does not always do so.

Team News

The trail development team badged the following trails in June 2022:

WikiTree profile: Magna Carta Project WikiTree
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Does anyone have any good examples of grandchildren being called children? I have long been perplexed about the relationship between Strange-855 and Strange-854 and it may well be such a case? It makes sense that it could happen, but I wonder what it can tell us about what happened in the missing generation.

I can't say I've ever seen a case of a sibling called a cousin. So I would also be interested in examples of that.
by Andrew Lancaster G2G6 Pilot (142k points)

Thanks, Andrew. 

I have seen a number of wills of the 16th to early 18th centuries where son is used to refer to a grandson. I cannot immediately refer to them, but my recollection is that they usually occurred where the testator's biological son had died, and the grandson therefore inherited what would have gone to the son.

On cousin, the other month I glanced at a will which included a moderately lengthy list of "cousins" receiving identical small bequests. This included all manner of relations, and buried among them was at least one sibling. Again, I cannot immediately locate the will. The inclusion of a sibling is unusual. The Oxford English Dictionary says that, in early usage, cousin could mean any relation other than a sibling, including sometimes grandchildren. The Online Middle English Dictionary says that cousin could include any relation by blood or marriage, and explicitly mentions grandchildren - https://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/middle-english-dictionary/dictionary/MED9877/track?counter=1&search_id=17816334.

In the 1960s my grandparents adopted their granddaughter. She became their daughter. So my cousin who's a few years younger than I am became my aunt.
Interesting. From what those examples show, the cases where cosyn was used to refer to a direct descendant were all more complicated sentences involving multiple relatives. But the word does seem to have been used to translate neptos, which could certainly cover grandchildren. I don't really see them giving any examples of a sibling being called a cosyn? But again, if there was a discussion about a group of relatives I can imagine siblings being included in the group under that term, because it could refer to cognati or consanguini. I can't quite imagine it being used in a simple sentence describing the specific relationship between two people?

Nicholas Gainsford follows this practice; he simultaneously refers to his 'daughter' Margaret in the same sentence as he calls her his son's John's daughter.  His Wikipedia page indicates that his wife Margaret opts for the same language in her will.  (Source: Nicholas Gaynesford - Wikipedia).  I accessed his will on Ancestry and the Wikipedia article is correct.

To be clear, yes, calling a daughter in law a daughter, for example, was common. (It still happens.) Basically any "in law" relationship can be shortened in this way. This is not uncommon at all, and so this possibility is one to always keep in mind.
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Magna Carta Team, thank you so much for this very interesting Newsletter featuring Elizabeth Grey! I was a bit familiar with these very loose relationship terms, which drove me crazy for years (son or son-in-law; sister or sister-in-law). The connections drove me crazy on several occasions.

Speaking of connections, Elizabeth Grey is my 6th cousin 18xr through MRCA Thomas (Despencer) le Despencer. BUT after reading the Newsletter, could this 'cousin' have a wider meaning? Hmmmm...
by Carol Baldwin G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)

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