When an already existing profile is a huge mess, how do I handle it?

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This guy: McDonell-70

This is a large family where the same names are repeated a lot. There are three Alexanders listed as his son, and I suggested merging them, but then I realized that the family has one Alexander who is a son, but also one who is an uncle (whose profile I already created: Macdonell_of_Aberchalder-1) and one who is the son of the other uncle (no profile yet). One of the three existing Alexanders (McDonnell-334) has the same sons as Macdonell_of_Aberchalder-1 (which I added before realizing), but different birth/death dates. None of them have the same dates as the other two Alexanders I have data on. I can move McDonnell-334's sons over to Macdonell_of_Aberchalder-1, but what about the daughters? And should I?

Also, there are so many details on one son with a slightly different name, how do I know this is the same person as in my data?

I was going to enter the data I have from a publication on the family, but if people are slotted into the wrong places in the tree then I would then have to do a bunch of mergers. In some cases I can't because I don't have enough information. (I know there are too many daughters, but can only confirm two of them and don't know which ones to detach. I suspect one is a daughter of one of the sons. I did detach a son who was obviously not a family member.)

The original source of the data already in the wikitree goes back to ancestry.com, where I don't have a membership, so I can't check it against my source (a publication).

Aaaah! Should I contact the profile manager? I don't think she's done anything since a GEDCOM import in 2013.
WikiTree profile: John McDonell
in Policy and Style by Sarah Robertson G2G Rookie (280 points)

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Thank you for spotting this profile.  I would first send a message to the Profile Manager with an explanation of your concern.  If you are familiar with merges, go ahead and propose those for her approval.  If you find souces, then I would put them in the body of the biography at the top for the PM to see.  Try working with the PM and see if you both can clear this up.  If you are not sucessful in receiving a message back from the PM, then I would notify your Mentor or a Leader and see if someone could help you out.  Give the PM a few weeks to respond then move forward.  Good Luck.

 

Sally
by Sally Stovall G2G6 Pilot (127k points)
selected by Sarah Robertson
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Anemone, I'd take the opposite approach.  I've looked at the profiles -- John McDonell shows some sources, but they're not linked to any of the facts in the narrative.  The three Alexanders have no sourced data, and the Ancestry links go to a dead end.  So the facts, you don't actually know anything about any of these people.  If you were to do any merging, you would be merging three unknowns into one unknown, and it's hard to see why that would be worth the trouble!

Obviously you care to know something about them or you wouldn't have been looking at the profile and been frustrated by the confusion.  So I'd suggest you do some research.  Google Advanced search can produce some amazing resources when you tweak it with combinations of words that must be together plus a few other words that might be a lead, etc.  The search engine right there on the page can give good results, too.  I'd start with the sources on John just to see if there's anything there -- if tehre is, put the facts on the narrative section and give them sources so you know where the information is from.  Then research the Alexanders.  Look by the different dates shown in the respective data fields -- they might be nonsense, but they might actually be a real fact that just hasn't been documented.  You may find that there are actually two or three different Alexanders;  at present, the dates could fit two different generations.  But if you do the research and put the facts you find -- with sources -- in the narrative of whichever profile seems most likely, then you'll know whether you need to merge or not, and have a factual basis for doing so.

Remember, any errors you make with the data field and the narrative section can be fixed by going back into changes and seeing what used to be there.  But merges can't be undone.  So I do merges at the end of a research process, not at the beginning!
by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (462k points)
When you say the sources aren't linked to any of the facts in the narrative, does that mean I have to go back and link particular facts to particular sources? I haven't seen that on other profiles. (I did add a biography and also did the same for the children I'm sure of.)

I don't think googling will work, given this is Macdonells in Ontario in the late 1800s. It's like googling for John Smith. There were 600 Scots who came over from Scotland in the early 1770s, and another 400 in the '80s, who mostly ended up in Eastern Ontario, and probably most of them were Macdonells, or at least a whole lot. And they all had the same few names, which is why they used their Scottish estates as additional names.

And I followed the links for John and got ancestry.com, which I don't have access to. The other source listed is mine.

I know there are three Alexanders, from the WL Scott source: a son, a brother and a nephew. I added the brother, then noticed there were three sons, one of whom is linked to the brother's children. (But he isn't the brother because he's too young.) The nephew hasn't been added, because I wasn't sure if I should or not.

I think I better hear from the profile manager to see how good her sources are. I know my sources were carefully researched by my great grandfather.
It's always good to be able to link specific facts to specific sources.  You may write a good paragraph based on facts from several sources.  Later you (or someone else) may question one of the facts -- but where did it come from?  If the fact is linked to a specific source, then you know.

More at http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sources_Style_Guide!

I just did a Google Advanced Search by "John MacDonell" and Leek and Alexander and immediately got the Scott source you mention, on-line.

http://www.cchahistory.ca/journal/CCHA1934-35/Scott.html

It would seem to me to be helpful -- especially since there's so much confusion about these people -- if quotations from his work, (however much is "fair use" of copyright material) was put in the narratives.  That then gives you documentation for the facts.  What does Scott have to say about the several Alexanders?  I haven't studied him, but he himself cites a number of other sources, some of which are primary sources, which are the gold standard for docuemtation.  Do you know from the studies you have already made how reliable he is?  Is that based on familiarity with other authors as well?  Then this is all material that can be expressed in the WikiTree narrative -- not only to give other readers interesting detail about their lives, but also to give them confidence that what they have seen is true.
That's one source, which I cited when I talked about the John Mcdonell of Leek who is in the back of the book by Mackenzie I mentioned in that paragraph. I actually have a much more detailed one for most of my data, which I also list as a source. Unfortunately it isn't online. I hope to get a digital copy made sometime in the next few months that I can link to.

Like I said, he says there are three Alexanders, a son, a brother, and a nephew. He provides military history for each of them, and what happened to them after the war, etc. He doesn't provide birth and death dates for the son, though, who was way less exciting (or less documented) than the other two, which is the main reason why I'm having problems.

I think he's reliable. He did a lot of genealogy back in the day.

PS at first your first link didn't work. The exclamation mark confused my browser. :)
Thanks for the warning about exclamation marks!  I'll have to learn to be less emotional when I write!
I've removed the merges. I'm just going to drop the other two Alexanders and they can float in limbo until someone else claims them.
Hi Anemone . My semi-educated guess is that there were over a dozen Alexander McDonell who resettled from the USA to Stormont , Dundas & Glengarry aka SD&G after the Rev War , and probably the same number of John McDonell ; the more you work with them , the more clear it should become . As for Ancestry.com membership , I use Rootsweb [which is a free site associated with Ancestry.com] which allows me to make Postings to various Boards ie. Glengarry Board , and review and search other's work for free . I would invite you to explore Rootsweb [ even if you have to try a free 2 week Ancestry.com registration , to establish your user name ] . Try a Posting to this Glengarry Board , and be amassed at the folks willing to help . Since I have 3 McDonell lines , and over 35 direct ancestors , their brothers and brothers in law who served King's Royal Regiment of New York aka KRRNY , I am much interested in your success . Cheers J.

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