Searching for cousins UK regarding anyone who has Dna J1c3please? thanks Diane.

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Hi my name is Diane Wan [nee] Heddon born 1944. Swansea Wales u UK I am trying to find the mate rnal line of my ancestors ; as far back as posible; my DNA is J1c3  I have all the percentages of past people from my blood line,DNA but have not found a person of whom can yet correspond with me regarding all these  percentages and countries.  Can someone see if they are [maybe related to me please?  My names so far are Brock.- Moore Ellis., from Devon. I would like to follow the path well before this lineage,  way back in time from a different country .best wishes to anyone who may be able to assist to get me further on a track of some sort Many thanks for any replies from Diane  in Wales UK [ re.  DEVON// ENGLAND
in Genealogy Help by Diane Heddon G2G1 (1.8k points)
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Hello Diane -

I suggest adding the tag Devon and/or England to your post.
by Nikki Orvis G2G6 Mach 2 (23.4k points)
thank you Nicki  how do I tag it please? does that mean click on the tag here? thank you from Diane.
On your original post, where you see the tags 'dna', 'mtdna', etc., start typing in devon or england. the tag will appear, you can click on it and update your post.
Thank you Nickifrom Diane.
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Have you uploaded your raw DNA to GEDmatch, FTDNA, etc.  These services can help find DNA cousins.  I have no idea what J1c3 means though?  What matches HAVE you found and at what cM levels?
by John Albertini G2G6 (8.5k points)
I  believe that J1c3 is her mitochondrial haplogroup. Apparently Diane did an autosomal DNA test (this is the most common type of test) and she received information on her mitochondrial haplogroup.

 Diane recorded the name of her DNA testing service on her DNA test form here, but she has not indicated the type(s) of DNA test she had and she has not recorded her haplogroup.  There are spaces for this information on the Wikitree DNA test form.
Thank you Ellen I am not to clever at all this  best regards from Diane,  ps I am willing to be helpful toward anyone who are needing help regarding names/ dates of their Ancestors to do look up,s and share all my names etc from my lineage so ar to anyone who is of my6 same Lineage/DNA  as well.
Where did you test?

gedmatch.com  & familytreedna.com

They have matching algorithms so if you upload your autosomal DNA to their sites in a day or two, after they "process" your DNA, they will enable you to generate a list of others who share your DNA.

The challenge then remains to figure out HOW you connect with those you share DNA with!  They do offer some triangulation tools.
John my DNA goes back about 25 thousand years as far away from europe over to Iran  many places in between ..I have .lots of percentages in my blood line even Iceland  dont know how these people  got to there mind!  I am open minded and not at all a preduced person by a long shot mind  good n bad in every race,, My DNA was tested by Ancestry  about   well years ago  smiles from me to you from Diane,
OK, so not autosomal?  Haplogroups don't come from autosomal.  And ancient ethnicity reports are GUESSES at best and will not help in family tree research.  Autosomal will help find LIVING DNA cousins related back 4-5-6-7 generations so you can compare notes and build each other's trees.  The challenge is figuring out HOW / WHO you connect through.  25,000 years ago might as well be Noah and the Flood, LOL, as it predates written history!!!
OK !yes I think I do pre date Noah actually  ..
Well, if you believe that myth literally then we ALL follow FROM Noah and his ancestors.  

That still does not help you build your tree.  You really need to work back ONE generation at a time documenting the FACTS as you go.
Hi -been back numerous generations from Diane.
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How do you find tht info? Thx, Sherry
by Sherry Miller G2G4 (4.3k points)
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Hi, Diane. This is just a note that J1c3 is a very old mitochondrial haplogroup. The current Family Tree DNA mtDNA haplotree shows that it has 12 distinct subbranches below it. These would represent newer splits, chronologically, resulting from newer mutations.

J1c3 and its subbranches have been found in ancient remains all throughout Europe, from Neolithic France to the Early Bronze Age British Isles to the Russian Steppes and into Siberia. One paper (Behar, et al., 2012) estimated the time J1c3 first appeared to be within a range of 6,600 and 11,000 years ago. An estimate for its parent haplogroup, J1c, is that it first appeared about 16,500 years ago.

The top-level haplogroup J does show its highest European concentrations today as being in Cornwall (20%) and Wales (15%). But that also reinforces that the haplogroup J1c3 by itself won't give you adequate information on which to base an assumption of genealogical relationship. Someone else who carries J1c3 might not have a common ancestor with you for thousands of years.

Taking a full-sequencing mtDNA test at Family Tree DNA would give you more information, i.e., which subbranch of J1c3 your mitochondrial DNA is plus the capability to match other test takers, but whether it's worth the expense is up to you. Even with a full-sequence test, exact matches might still be separated by as many as 70 generations; at a 50/50 probability of matching, it's around 31 or 32 generations (Andersen and Balding, 2018).

If you encounter someone who does not have "J1c3" at the start of their haplogroup, you can definitely rule out a matrilineal relationship. But even an exact mtDNA match can span too many generations to be very useful as a form of positive evidence without applying a great deal of genealogical research and analysis along with it.

As others have noted, your autosomal DNA is the best place to start with DNA for genealogy. That can give you a lot of valuable information as far back as your 3rd and possibly 4th great-grandparents. And the ability to compare both autosomal DNA and your J1c3 results to the matrilineal connections you find gives an extra level of confidence about the evidence.

It's just that mtDNA is more difficult to work with accurately for genealogy than it may seem. It's a remarkably tiny DNA molecule with very little room to mutate. That's why it isn't very diverse in the world's population. We're expected to reach a global population of 8 billion before the end of this year. There are currently 5,468 mtDNA haplogroups cataloged; that number has been essentially unchanged since 2016. So that means for every mtDNA haplogroup there are over 1.46 million people. The actual ratio is even higher because most people will be identifiable in one of the deeper, newer haplogroups, like the subbranches of your J1c3, rather than the higher, older branches like just J1c or J1.

It's great information to have. I had my mtDNA first tested at a low resolution 20 years ago. Then upgraded the test, then upgraded it again to the full-sequence version. But mtDNA is better at helping you rule out who isn't a match than it is in offering positive evidence about who is a match.

Best of luck in the search!

by Edison Williams G2G6 Pilot (434k points)

Hi you two well educated guys.  well i was suprised to see that I was 95 per cent Irish  about  5 per cent UK thats all it says for my Paternal links on my little chart here,  smileymoon about my matriacal DNA  alas i have heaps of per cents from about 22 counties here in my little genes  so you can imagine i would love to see who those people are that are still living  in all these countries  just like me  haha  Diane.

Thank you again Edison great info for me to study  up  again hava nice night/day regards Diane,
Somewhere in my files I have the patriacal 95 per cent Irish DNA  I will look tomorrow as It  went into hiding  for some reason haha Also I have heaps of names in ancestry from my daddy and mammy side  under Heddon tree.Found under CHRIS Phipps Ancestry tree  actually will send you details too later
Gee Edison I am learning fast [kinda] smiles across the waves from Diane [thank you ]
Hey there Alan, how are you ?[SEASONS GREETINGS TO YOU MATIE]Have you got a tree that you will let me check to see if I know any names there please? I hope you will come back here ..best wishes from Diane. PS-- MOORE/ELLIS  is where I am at in my research as yet..
Thank you for all that  helpful information there Edison. Seasons Greetings from Diane.
reddit- redditt- redddittt -hahaha  ..please reply...
Hey there you guys..I have this amongst my many names/dates dadadad....EPIPALEOLITH short version of a one Chapter inculding the following.NATUFIAN CULTURE..MESOLITHIC. For  Cultures that are clearly succeeded by the the Neolthic Revelution such as the above     You may  all know of this writings...  regards Diane.
Still looking for Patrical EV something...
Y EV so far I remember  gee !

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