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On 17 Sep 2019 Isaac Taylor wrote on Maltravers-5:

The duplication reported here 2+ years ago is still unresolved. 5 and 39... This should either be resolved with a merge OR the two profiles should be differentiated and the apparent redundancy explained in their bios? Update: I tried to propose the merge tonight and get a weird error saying 39 can't be merged into 5 because it's already been merged into something. And yet, there it is. Taunting us? Anybody know how to fix? Cheers p.s. Can we standardize on Maltravers OR Mautravers as the LNAB, and for the folks who have some reason to need the alternative, give it as the secondary not an inconsistent primary family name?

WikiTree profile: John Mautravers
in Genealogy Help by C. Mackinnon G2G6 Pilot (331k points)
retagged by John Atkinson
39 has already been merged into 5. What is the error? Do you need to change the LNAB?

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There is definitely a problem with the merge which appears to have already taken place.  Hopefully someone will be able to fix that.

The Complete Peerage, vol. 8, pp. 577-86 refers to the family throughout as Mautravers, and I think when an issue like this has come up before, we have gone with the name as in The Complete Peerage. The volume is available in FamilySearch.

There are a couple of other issues with the profile.  He was summoned to Parliament by writ and is held to have become Lord Mautravers, (see Complete Peerage, p. 583) not Lord of Mautravers.  He also probably doesn't need First or 1st as he was essentially the only Baron or Lord Mautravers.

The John Mautravers of Hooke and Crowell, is definitely not his son by Agnes Bereford.  The inquisition post mortem taken after her death, states several times that there were no issue from this marriage.  See no. 180 with inquisitions under Gloucester, Somerset, Wiltshire.

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (609k points)
As an aside, in pedigrees from the Plea Rolls 12 E 3 (p. 64) John Argentine the younger took suit against John Butler and the pedigree shown indicates that he was the son of Agnes de Berford and that his half sisters by Joan, d. of Roger Bryan, were Joan who married John, son of Ralph le Botiller and Elizabeth who married William son of Ralph le Botiller.

I notice that we have Joan as being this John's daughter rather than his {elder?) sister.

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