Anyone with German settlers in Pennsylvania has done a DNA test?

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Hi there,

I do hope to find some WikiTree'ers that have taken a DNA test and have early German settlers in their family tree.

Reason is that I do have several indications that I share with many cousins through those German settlers, me from the German side and they obviously as descendants from these settlers. As they kept marrying within their proximity their DNA was mostly preserved and not mixed as much as normally occurs. Hence a lot survived until nowadays.

If you have a kit at GedMatch, which is mandatory for this undertaking as it allows to analyze triangulations going down to very small and tiny segments (eg on chromosome 2 from 106-126 bp), please do contact me directly either through a post on my profile or via PM.

If you haven't done so, please consider to upload your raw DNA data to GedMatch.com as it has some unique tools for analyzing your DNA and it's the only one that allows to effectively analyze from 1 cM genetic distance and 50 SNP onwards (maybe even less SNP but that's the minimum I use).

Before people declare me as being crazy for going after such small segments I do it only for identified and triangulated matches. Background is that over time our inherited ancestral segments get split up a lot. I have proven with my work so far that sometimes an intact 7 cM long segment gets split up into 4-5 smaller segments and as such is still possible to triangulate such people in a TG.

Thanks in advance!
WikiTree profile: Andreas West
in The Tree House by Andreas West G2G6 Mach 5 (57.5k points)
retagged by Keith Hathaway
Hi Laurie,

If I look only at my Lancaster, PA ancestors, I would have to start with https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meyer-6881 and go back. I still don't see your Engel or Wendel surnames, but, we do share a lot of DNA at the lower numbers. I don't know enough to tell anything from it!
I checked my very robust Ancestry.com tree: I have Kessingers in Illinois that married a member of my Brown family married into (just discovered this in the past month).  Furthest back so far is Josiah Dodge Kessinger (1812 Kentucky -1900 Montgomery Co, Illinois).

Laurie
Andreas,

 Gedmatch kit H879189. I have many autosomal matches which may be of some interest. On my maternal side, German ancestor Cypert-5  born June 22, 1716, Palantinate, Germany. Cypert may be a respelling of the German name Seibert. I also have the names Overman and Belman from Germany in my tree.

Using Gedmatch.com autosomal V2.1.1(c)  I have a good match to Ingrid Dinger T231565 on Chr 12 using SNP's count Minimum threshold size of 50 SNP's, cm size 1cm. I am a newbie when it comes to DNA and thought it would be better if you took a look.
Thanks for the info Andrea's. Any update on when your app will be ready?

Thank you

Bruce

Hi Chris (Wallace),

it's not advisable to go down to 1cM and 50 SNP's only as you're basically looking for segments that are thousands of years old. You can find out if you compare yourself to one of the ancient DNA samples on GEDmatch like:

M107790 I0118 Alberstedt LNBA
M324645 I0112 BellBeaker
M224345 I0103 Corded Ware Germany
M348611 I0104 Corded Ware Germany
M313201 I0099 HalberstadtLNBA

You will see that you match them as well ;-)

Andreas

Hello Bruce and others,

it's my best advice to follow (like) our Facebook page Your DNA family Facebook page as we're posting updates on our progress there, including screenshots and sometimes videos (there will be more videos coming once we're launching).

The launch is a moving target and in software development things will go wrong if they can (was that Murphy's law?). We're still bug hunting but there are days (like today) where (knock on wood) so far no new error is reported by the beta users. But we had quite some yesterday ;-)

Unfortunately that also means that I can't check out all the GEDmatches numbers that people continue to post. I don't even have much time for my own genealogy research as it's basically just coding day & night.

But once we launch those with Palatine ancestors will have the ability to search for them together with their other DNA cousins in the triangulated groups that are identified to be from Germany/the Palatine. It will be great to see how that works out as through the beta testing it has become very clear that the common ancestor is usually way further back then what the DNA testing companies are telling us (or rather predicting).

But we do have already some great success stories so please keep on trying to triangulate and then work with your DNA cousins on getting the family trees further developed until you merge!

Hi Andreas and all-

I do have german settlers that were in PA, mostly in the 1700s. It will take me a bit to filter through to compile them as  I am doing this on my iphone.

My GEDmatch profile is 458350, Caitlin Grossman. 

You forgot one letter in your gedmatch Kit number.

You’re right! I grabbed my profile number instead of kit number!! Oooops.

CORRECT Gedmatch Kit number

A405042

I found 19 matches on Gedmatch that we both match to!

My email is brhoch2000@yahoo.com    Bruce

85 Answers

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Yes. At least I think so. Wygals from western PA. Am waiting for DNA results and am excited to share!
by Bronwen Cunningham G2G2 (2.4k points)
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My Catherine Stem/Stamm descends from some of the first families to settle Germantown, Pennsylvania.  My problem is that I don't know which son of Johann Conrad Stamm she is the daughter of, so I don't know which of the families are her ancestors.

My DNA IDs are listed on Wikitree and loaded to www.gedmatch.com.

Pat D Saunders
by Pat D Saunders G2G6 (6.5k points)
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My DNA profile is on GEDmatch. My ancestor, Christian Shank, who founded Shanksville, PA, came from Germany and married a German Mennonite girl in Lancaster, moved to Hagerstown, MD and then to Shanksville, PA.  My other ancestor came from Bamberg, Germany and settled in New Baltimore, PA.  He was Lutheran and married a descendant of Christian Shank.  I have names and dates, etc. if you are interested
by Edwin Donaldson G2G1 (1.2k points)
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Andreas,

My GedMatch kit is A715399. I am not very well-versed in any of the DNA related information, but feel free to run the one-to-one match with your kit and see if there is anything of interest.

I do have relatives that came over from Germany. The ship I have found some to be on was the Britagne. I am happy to communicate more, if there is anything to work with. My tree is on Ancestry.

Let me know...

Valorie SMITH Webster
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A string of BINKLEY men descended from early immigrants to  Lancaster County PA have done their yDNA in the past few years, but I don't know what company the results are from. It's  reported on a Binkley website --  You can contact the coordinator Helen Duer at  binkleys@yahoogroups.com. I recall only that the yDNA from these emigrants, originally from Canton Bern, Switzerland, was primarily Celtic.
by Janet Binkley G2G1 (1.1k points)
I too have German ancestors that immigrated to PA. All my GED numbers are on my profile. Don't understand much about DNA, but you are welcome to try and discover something with it.
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A branch of my paternal ancestors were the Keim's who thru marriage connected to the Custer/ Kuster family from Germantown, Pa. My GED # is M464281. Thanks for starting a very interesting discussion. Don
by Don Kirby G2G Crew (450 points)
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My 3rd great grandmother was a German born in Pennsylvania in the 1700s: Elizabeth Cooker (Cooker-9). Both my dad and I have had DNA tests: Dalton-4613 (GEDmatch A975419) and Dalton-4614 (GEDmatch A525703). My dad's 3rd cousin also descends from that line and has had a DNA test: Dalton-2104 (GEDmatch A781632).
by Jodi Dalton G2G3 (3.8k points)
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Rob,

My father used to also claim to be "Pennsylvania Dutch" (partly).  I recently had my DNA tested, and came up with a tiny chromosome 6 match to yours.

Comparing Kit A198741 (Rob Jacobson) and T163348 (*Larky) 

6    27,977,300    33,181,962    1.9    1,208

Hopefully you're still collecting this information.  It was my only match to you, even on such a small scale, but I think it falls within the regions of interest on chromosome 6.

Reba

by R. Greenup G2G6 Mach 6 (66.5k points)
It certainly does, that's a solid PG6.  I've discovered that region is known as the HLA, and for some reason is one of the most sticky DNA regions of all.  When meiosis is picking DNA segments for each new child, this Pennsylvania Dutch/German HLA is especially dominant over other HLA choices.  It shows up intact in ridiculously distant relations, far too distant to figure out.

I'm very behind on this subject and that paper, but I'll certainly be adding yours, as well as a number of others above, that I haven't gotten to yet.
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I am a native of eastern Pennsylvania and have discovered early German settlers of the area in my lineage. Surnames include Keichel, Knauss, and Griesemer. I have shared my DNA data. GEDmatch ID: A360704
by George William Haas G2G2 (2.2k points)
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I do, you'll see my GEDMatch info and a couple of my distant cousins here at  Kesler-274

This is a really great question and answer string!
by Jennie Skancke G2G1 (1.8k points)
No match with your GEDmatch T516703 (posted here for easier reference)
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Hello, I have done the test and uploaded to GedMatch, My Stout ancesters came through Penn.. My Kit Number is RM3931309. I haven't done triangulations yet. Wiki is Stout-1551.
by Hal Stout G2G1 (1.6k points)
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Hello,

I have some ancestors who settled in Pennsylvania who self-identified as "Pennsylvanian dutch" (presumably of German descent however on further investigation appear to have descended from Swiss).  They are from my father's paternal lineage (Troyer). I have done a DNA test and entered it on GEDmatch.com.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Troyer-426
by Tannis Mani G2G6 Mach 1 (18.1k points)
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My mother's family came from Baden Baden Germany around 1840 to Lancaster PA.  Her number is A763437
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Neither my mother or my aunt who are very definitely PA German on their maternal side share those small segments on Chr 6 or 16. They are GEDmatch #'s T699018 and A058033.
by Jane Alexander G2G5 (5.9k points)
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My paternal side is pretty much 100% Italian if that is possible.

My maternal side seems to take me to Germany and a few times to England.

My GEDmatch ID A593513 I hope you can use it in your study!

by Louann Halpin G2G6 Mach 6 (62.2k points)
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My ancestors arrived at Philadelphia in 1741 from Staudernheim an der Nahe. The arrived at Staudernheim from Lauterecken two or three generations earlier. The earliest ancestor I can identify at Lauterecken is said to have come from "Hasen Puttelingen" which is today's Puttelange-aux-lacs, south of Saarbrucken. He appears to have been born around 1588. Does that help? The family's name was Feÿ/Veit/Feig/Feit.
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I am of German descendants, but it was from the Palatine Migration to South Carolina not Pennsylvania. One family member, Gilbert Guilder may have went to Pennsylvania, but he ended up in South Carolina with his daughter. My family names are Rish/Resh/Reich/Reisch/Rich. Beck/Bach, Guilder, Gable and a few others. They are thought to be likely from Prussia, Netherlands, Denmark and Holland though, and just residing in What was Germany at the time of the Migration. My DNA seems to kinda back this up, but I'm almost 100 percent European so this is a little hard to tell.
by Misty Musco G2G6 Mach 2 (26.1k points)
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Count me in. GEDmatch A779931, T744961 and M687187
by Dennis Jesse G2G Crew (800 points)
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I'm a Rinehart descendent from those settlers and have mine currently being sequenced thru helix.
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Hi!

Yes, I have German ancestry that settled in Pennsylvania.  Schnatz & Beier.  I have uploaded my dna to GEDmatch

Best Denise
by Denise Zuniga G2G1 (1.0k points)

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