G2G: CC7 Count seems a bit unfair

Question

I have just got my CC7  1000 badge. Required a quite a bit of effort to get here, I estimate that if I could just import my tree from ancestry my CC7 Connection Count would be about 5000, but a very long process to add people one by one and then fix the bio for each one.

The slightly annoying thing is that when I look at many of the other users that have just got the same badge it seems they only added themselves or a handful of people to wikitree, whereas 95% of the people in my Connection Count were added by myself, i.e they have got the same badge with very little effort.

Would be nice to see a CC7 based on profiles actually added.

Comments

There are lots of badges for contributions.  The CC7 is just a count of relations, some people have more than others.

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The whole point of the CC7 is to count the people connected to you.  Basing it on profiles created would make it useless for its original purpose.

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The fact there is a leader board seems to implies it is something you can move up on, and the movers shakers implies to me these are the most active users,but the way it is implemented doesn't really work that way.

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The contribution badges are weird as well, creating a new profile counts just the same as making minor edit such as adding place category for bio

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Does Ancestry have a cc7 count?

CC7 is not, nor can be, any more or less fair than a speedometer, thermometer or scale that simply measures a unit of something being measured. As far as badges or points go, if it motivates some to do more, so be it. As far as a competitive measure, I will never understand how someone can be annoyed by how someone else chooses to get their Wiki on, unless it is disrupting or impacting the overall health of the tree negatively.

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It's quite easily really, I thought badges are handed out to indicate someone has done something substantial, so giving someone a 1000 connection badge for simply adding themselves to tree and nothing else doesn't seem right.

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No, what's "unfair" is that my sibling has a higher cc7 than my own, and *I* did all the work!  Now THAT's "unfair".  

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"Unfair" was my first life lesson. Born Dec 26th, and I'm not expecting a big going away party either. I just hope they remove that silver spoon I was born with.

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As you seem to be focussed on the word *Unfair* let me put in another way. The Most Connected Movers and Shakers section seems flawed when half of the people listed have only added themselves  and then parents and no other profiles.

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From the Connections Help page:

Why do we show our counts?

A big part of WikiTree's single family tree mission is to show how we're all connected — how a web of family relationships connects everyone in the world. We are all distant cousins through shared ancestors, and marriages make us more closely intertwined. The more family members we add to WikiTree, the clearer this becomes.

A high CC7 means:

1. your branch on our tree is very full, and
2. you, or someone close to you, has done a lot of work.

If you have done this work adding connections, our community thanks you! Since we all share one tree, we all benefit from increasing connections.

Counts and scores aren't what WikiTree is really about, of course. But looking at numbers such CC7s can be interesting and fun. As you grow your family connections on WikiTree, you can watch your number grow and watch your connection paths to others across our tree grow shorter.

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That’s fine for a definition of CC7 and reason to have CC7, but my point is why have badges and movers and shakers section because as as your definition shows you can get badge either because you have done lots of work or someone else has done lots of work

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One last thought on this topic, the focus was on fairness as your concern. After further investigation, I see I have about 608 gain in connections this month, not sure how many were due to me or someone else. My gain is about 40 over the lowest person on the mover/shaker board yet, my name is not on it. Oh well I say, not bad for an ol' fat kid learning how to Wiki. Looks like I'm making headway!

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Maybe you are looking at the wrong date, the Movers and Shakers https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:ConnectionCounts is currently showing increase from March 07 not start of month.

But as you say not sure how many were due to me or someone else that seems flawed to me. Look at this example currently 10th on the list is https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Andrys-56 he has managed to go from 1 to 1604 connections, impressive especially since he has only created 1 profile. Even more impressive is he created this profile three years ago, he is only on the list because different user merged the profile into an existing profile this month

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Andrys-5

So he is on the movers and shakers this month without making any contributions for three years, does that make sense to you?

Answer 1

There's probably a way to do that in Wikitree+ but it isn't loading for me at the moment.  Just select by creator and cc7.

Comments

See Bill Feidt's report on the WikiTree Plus server outage here.

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Thanks Jim.

Answer 2

It’s only really something to motivate ourselves and make us investigate lots of relations that we haven’t added. I’m getting there… under a hundred to go, if I added living people I’d get there a lot faster but I don’t. However I keep an eye on my number and investigate any change to see where I’ve gained new family. I don’t bother comparing my CC7 values to others.

For me most have been added by just a couple of individuals working in the same geographic area and there doesn’t seem to be that many links to the main tree yet, it always goes through 2 or 3 key people. At some point I need to make more connections though I suspect they are above CC7.

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It's not motivating when somebody can just join the site and immediately get a 1000 or 2000 connection badge without adding anyone. It's actually demotivated me now, would be much better if the badge was giving when you had added a 1000 profiles, there is currently no badge that does that.

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We are all different, I enjoy working towards goals, if it’s an easy achievement I don’t actually feel I have done much.

The best I can suggest is don’t compare yourself to others, I certainly don’t, I’ve seen people with high numbers but when you look at the work done it’s very minimal, others work on far fewer profiles in much greater detail (more than I do) but those are the profiles I admire, and wish I was producing.

We also can’t change who we are, lots of my ancestors died single and childless, so reducing my potential for my CC7 count.

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Thanjks or your reply it's not really a big deal for me personally, many of the ancestors I add are actualy further away then cc7 because I'm most interested in seeing how far back I can go.

But I am a computer programmer and it just doesn't seem logical to me to have a badge that one person has to work hard for, wheras another can get very easily with little effort. That was the point I was trying to make. My suggestion would be to keep cc7 count as it is but only add connected badges based on profile in the cc7 you have actually added, this would mean any person in the wikitree could only be claimed once, I think this would be interesting.