Revisting Jacob Barentszen Cool/Kool/Van de Cuyl

Question

There was previous discussion about this Jacob and what his LNAB should be and the decision was that he should be van de Cuyl because he would have adopted "van de" when he left the Netherlands. http://www.wikitree.com/g2g/68470/ok-to-make-van-de-cuyl-the-final-wikitree-id-for-jacob-b-1580

There are a couple of issues though:

• It does not appear that Jacob ever left the Netherlands.
• His patronymic is actually Arentsen as explained on the profile: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kool-248
• The van de Kuyl seems to have been applied to him at because there was some assumption somewhere that he shared relations with Cornelis Barentszen VanDerCuyl-2
• Nowhere that I could find is his son Barent referred to as anything but Cool or Kool, Cool appearing only once in his baptism records, Holland Dames having him as Kool and NYGBR listing and indexing him as Kool in the list of Small Burghers in v. 141.1.
• Duplicates are being created because people are not making the connection to van de Cuyl. These are not junkie, spammy dupes.

The reson why I'm posting this is that there are a couple of duplicate profiles with the Kool as LNAB and didn't want to just match them and leave it.

I'm not a descendant.

The PPP profile is Van_de_Cuyl-4

Comments

Well, I am a descendant (via at least two different lines), but you (Carrie) have done far more work on this line than I have. I've seen this family as Kool, Cool, and Cole (the latter spelling occuring only in later generations).

Thanks for your research -- and thanks for restarting the discussion!

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I too am a descendant, also via at least two different lines: [[Kool-244|Adam Kool]] and [[Kool-246|Sarah Cool]]. I created a whole list of profiles for my Kool / Cool forefathers (somtimes written also as Cole, Coell, and Kohl). Never have i come across the version ''van de Cuyl'' in any documents regarding the Cool / Kool family. I donot know who put this name on the profiles created by me as alternative surname. I have left the surname ''van de Cuyl'' there ''just in case'' someone knows something that i donot know. But I truly doubt that Jacob Barentsen Kool / Cool or Barent Kool / Cool ever called himself, or was ever referred to by others as ''van de Cuyl'', which has a totally different meaning. I would prefer to remove ''van de Cuyl'' from the Kool / Cool profiles, but shall leave that to others to do. Thank you Carrie for noticing this problem too!

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Well, he was born no more as Kool than as van de Cuyl. But at the time of the PPP decision, the van version seemed the most plausible, as an explanation of of his presumed immigration and where the later descedants Kool name came from.

The long line of Kool ancestors is backwards projection, And so I think the name for this man as Kool would be just as much in error.

I would think he should simply be Arents or Adriaens, to be most correct about it.

I don't think we have gotten any good indication yet of which American descendants started to use the Kool name from this branch, and when. But the derivative sources have all seem to have decided that the ancestors should have that Kool name as well, which is just not historically accurate. Or maybe it is just the wrong lineage.

Or did Jacob actually use Kool as an adult at some point? I don't see that.

And why is it definitive, although likely, that he never emigrated? Death of 6 November 1634 (age 53) in NY and Arrival 1660 in NY (age 79) were in the Kool profile prior to merge with Van de Cuyl. So is that conflated with his son?

And duplicates are and will be created regardless of his LNAB. People simply do not look at a match, thinking for some reason or not that they must be the first of millions of descendants to add such a 500-year old profile, and they ignore the matches that pop up. Both Cool and Kool are both akas. So it is a match that pops up.

Newbies create the 500-year-old dupes as the first thing they do when they join WikiTree. I never did, four years ago, because I understood the exponential effect of each descendant generation. But that is what many new people do. Even when the name is an exact match. So trying to set any particular name for any intended purpose to prevent that particular folly is just more folly.

I don't have any big stake in maintaining the name as is, but I would like to see some more profile improvement to prove the answers to the questions above first, before making any name change.

But dupes need to be merged timely, on the oldest ancestors, because otherwise it holds up long chains of descendant dupes from getting merged..

They cannot just sit in limbo for months on end while the finer points of LNAB are being decided, because it holds up the whole descendant chain. So clarification of these issues in the bios should be a priority, if the expectation is that a newly created dupe of  a deep ancestor should not get merged away.

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Of course it would be better to have patronymic profiles but I didn't find any. 

The suggested LNAB profiles do have information on them.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kool-248

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kool-247

I think this is a mistake though

1. Jacob Barentsen KOOL, born abt 1638, baptised 25 Sep 1639 at the Dutch Reformed Church, New Amsterdam, New Netherland, wed Maritje Symonse in 1660, died 1719 in NY;

It should probably be baptised before 25 Sep 1639, as that's the date of the first record in New Amsterdam and it's not for this baptism.

Barent:

I posted his baptism records on his profile, both the PPP and the suggested.

He was in Nieuw-Nederland by 1640.

* 1640 23 Sep Aeltje, Barent Jacobz. Wit.: Jan Hermanszen, Leuntie Alberts.

He definitely did not die before 1657 as that's when he baptized his last child.

* 1657 29 Aug Pieter, Barent Jacobszen, Marrietie Leenderts. Wit.: Jan Corneliszen, Adriaentie Trommels.

Barent definitely used Cool.

* 1655 10 Oct Arent, Barent Jacobszen Cool, Marrietje Leenderts. Wit.: Jan Prie, Aechtje Leenderts.

He also appeared in 1645 testifying that he arrived in 1638 aboard Den Dolphyn and signed it Barent Jacobsz Cool. He also says that he is 34. p. 167.

http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/files/5813/5543/8913/RegisterofPSVol2.pdf

Barent is listed in the NYGBR 141.1 in Small Burghers of New Amsterdam dated 1657 April 13.14.

He supposedly died in 1676 in Kingston.

Jacob:

There is no record of him in Nieuw-Nederland, he is not in the NYGBR or listed as an ancestor anywhere. The Holland Dames lists Kool, Barent Jacobsen as the eligible ancestor.

Cool:

The Kool line is not backwards projected though it does belong to a family that was determined to not belong to Jacob. A Kool line, though again not Jacobs, has been traced back to an Adriaen Kool 1450. My understanding is that it's on file with the NYGBS.

I haven't looked at all of Barent's children's baptisms but his son Jacob appears with both patronymic and C/Kool in the Kingston book https://archive.org/stream/baptismalmarriag00king#page/4/mode/2up Leendert as well.

I'll look to see if I can't find microfilm of Jacob's baptism that Albertus has listed but admittedly I don't have the hang of the Amsterdam books yet. Oh they're pretty legible at least!

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Regarding the effect of unmerged duplicates:

For amusement, I used Relationship Finder to check my relationship to the three different profiles for Jacob Arentsen Kool (born circa 1580). One of those profiles is my 9th great grandfather. Another is my 11th great grandfather, and the third has no blood relationship. And this is just one person!

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I've been poking around in the sources I've saved for this family, and I found some other sources after this thread started.

There's a great deal of family mythology surrounding this family. (At least some of it is probably true, but we can't tell...)  Nothing I've seen, however, so much as suggests the name van de Cuyl or any variant thereof. And it seems significant to note that Barent Jacobsz Cool apparently signed his own name (including "Cool") on that 1645 statement about the Dolphyn that Carrie cites.

In a Google snippet view of page 7 of the 2001 book "The Barent Jacobsen Cool Family" there is a description of a baptismal record that is suggested to be that of Barent Jacobsen Kool/Cool. The entry starts with an indication that he was born about 1610, based on that 1645 statement, in which Barent Jacobsz Cool was reported to be 34 years old. Next, the book describes a baptismal record for a Barent Jacobsen, baptized 18 May 1610 in the Nieuwe Kerk in Amsterdam, son of Jacob Arents and his wife Aeltje Dircks. Other snippets of the book appear to cite other baptismal records from Amsterdam, for children of the same parents.

If that 1610 baptismal record is real, I should think that one of us would be able to find it...

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I looked in the Stadsarchief.Amsterdam in hopes of substantiating that reported baptismal record. I didn't find one, but I did find that the Amsterdam burial register lists burials for people named "Cool" as early as 1598 and for people named "Kool" as early as 1628. This indicates that these last names were in use as early as the time of Barent Jacobsz, and likely earlier.

Coupled with the fact that Barent Jacobsz apparently could write his own name (suggesting that he enjoyed a somewhat higher social status in New Netherlands than most New Netherland settlers; that's relevant because higher-status people are more likely to have adopted family names before their use became mandatory), those records lead me to think that members of this family were likely using the name Cool or Kool before they left the Netherlands.

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It was the Dutch who introduced ''Coleslaw'' to New Netherland; ''van de Kool'' could also simply refer to ''Jacob Arents of the Coleslaw''. Somewhere previously I did comment on this - ''Cuyl'' is the old Dutch word for hole (basin) or depression (landscape). It could also be a reference to for example such place that existed in or near New Amsterdam at that time. It could also be that these two surnames became conflated: ''of the Coleslaw'' and ''from the basin''.

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This might be Barent's baptism https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-31207-7090-20?cc=2037985&wc=SM9H-3TP:1293193204,382015502,382026901 Second column, fourteenth entry, just after the line which on the second page says is 18 May.

Looks to read

Jacob Arents

Aeltje Dirc(?) > Barent

(something Jans??) 

"Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-31207-7090-20?cc=2037985&wc=SM9H-3TP:1293193204,382015502,382026901 : accessed 19 June 2015), Nederlands Hervormde > Amsterdam > Dopen 1603-1628 > image 113 of 501; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).

Having trouble determining which book is "De Oude Kerk", FamilySearch only has them designated by religion argh.

You know, this isn't related to the microfilm but I have to say that after looking at so many New Netherland baptisms, I get the impression that even if someone had a surname sometimes the domine or transcriber would completely ignore it and not record it in favor of the patronym.

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Think I found "De Oude Kerk"

Dierikien https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-31145-11000-40?cc=2037985&wc=SM9S-SPD:1293193204,382015502,382033801 Second page, fifth entry under Den 23 Ditto.

Jacob (alphabet soup) ----- Div(somthing)

I would totally read that as Divertje but apparently their second child was named Dierikien.

"Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-31145-11000-40?cc=2037985&wc=SM9S-SPD:1293193204,382015502,382033801 : accessed 19 June 2015), Nederlands Hervormde > Amsterdam > Dopen 1601-1634 > image 54 of 597; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).

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In the last two I'll look for there is something appearing after Jacob's name that seriously looks like it has two O's. It looks like "voor man" but maybe it is "kool man".

Lievyn https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-31145-10320-39?cc=2037985&wc=SM9S-SPD:1293193204,382015502,382033801 Second page, under Den 28th April, eleventh line. The birth date as listed in Jacob's profile says that this baptism should under the 18th but maybe that is a mistake as there is no 18th section.

"Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-31145-10320-39?cc=2037985&wc=SM9S-SPD:1293193204,382015502,382033801 : accessed 19 June 2015), Nederlands Hervormde > Amsterdam > Dopen 1601-1634 > image 227 of 597; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).

Barent 1 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-31145-11053-43?cc=2037985&wc=SM9S-SPD:1293193204,382015502,382033801 Second page under Den 12th Maert, sixth entry.

Jacob Arentse voor man op Rotterdam (alphabet soup)... Barent

"Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-31145-11053-43?cc=2037985&wc=SM9S-SPD:1293193204,382015502,382033801 : accessed 19 June 2015), Nederlands Hervormde > Amsterdam > Dopen 1601-1634 > image 141 of 597; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).

Side note: I freaking love cole slaw.

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Barent's baptism:

Almost correct transcription, the Amsterdam archive record says:

kind(child): , Barent

doopdatum(date of baptism): 18-05-1610

kerk(church): Nieuwe Kerk

godsdienst(religion): Hervormd

vader(father): Arentsz, Jakob

moeder(mother): Dirx, Aeltje

bronverwijzing(source reference: DTB 39, p.218

Witness is not mentioned in this record, but the image shows that was Anna Jans

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The way to go when researching pre-1811 baptisms, marriages, and deaths in Amsterdam:

 Search the Amsterdam archive.

 Note the church (if any) AND the source reference of a relevant hit

Go to www.zoekakten.nl, and there

1. choose province NH (Noord-Holland)
2. choose Amsterdam
3. choose record type in the left column
4. search for the source reference in the resulting page (in the leftmost column)
5. Found? Skip to #11 below
6. Search for the name of the church in the resulting page (in the leftmost column)
7. Found? Skip to #11 below
8. Scan the resulting page visually looking for relevant entries
9. Found? Skip to #11 below
10. Bad luck, maybe the source was not filmed...
11. Clicking the lefmost column takes you to the Familysearch microfilm
12. Search the microfilm for the right image, with a strategy of educated guesses or some kind of binary search

Note

Sometimes the rightmost column in the resulting page contains a link to an index of the film, allowing you to get a better starting point for searching

 

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Here is the image of the marriage of Jacob & Aeltje:

"Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-31161-9403-36?cc=2037985&wc=SM93-HZS:382016701,382015502,382164801 : accessed 19 June 2015), Alle Gezindten > Amsterdam > Huwelijksaangiften 1581-1606 > image 282 of 539; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).

The Amsterdam archive says:

inschrijvingsdatum: 27-01-1596

naam bruidegom: Arentsz, Jacob

naam bruid: Dierics, Aaltje

bronverwijzing: DTB 664, p.184

opmerkingen: Huwelijksintekeningen van de PUI.

It looks like the image says Jacob was 27 years of age then: on second line it says something like 'xxbij jaren', and in the page header it says  'xxbij January 1596' being the date of the following marriage banns. Note this is the Roman type of numbering (x = 10, etc.).

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No KOOL in baptism images of Jacob's children: what is said after his name is his occupation, which in all cases I looked at is something with ships (barges):

Aeltjen - Varensman = Someoone who works on a ship/barge

Pieter -  Veerman op Rotterdam = Sailor going with his barge to Rotterdam and back

Lievijn - Veerman op Rotterdam

Dierikien - Schuitenvoerder = Someone who steers a barge, viz who makes it his profession to carry loads, formerly in Amsterdam decidedly someone who with his barge transported loads within the city or to ships.

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Fantastic stuff! The cheat-sheet should help save some people from having to scroll though old microfilm for hours.

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Carrie,

after Jaco'bs name I think it's  says vaarman op  R = sailor on Rotterdam

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Indeed! Jan also determined that it said "veerman op Rotterdam". Sure makes a whole lot more sense than 'cole slaw man of Rotterdamn'...

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Oops! Didnt see Jan's response.

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Knowing what the members of this family did to earn an living is more interesting than figuring out their LNAB. Thanks, Jan!

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Jacob was a Captain of the Yatch New Ampsterdam for the Dutch West Indies 1920 till his Death he still owned several yatches

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while at the Ulster County Court House Historican Office these are some of the ways I have found the Cole name spelled one of them is as the speeling you are talking about except the Van De on it.

Coole, Koley, Kool, Kohl, Kuhl, Cuyl, Coel,Cooil, Kole, Coley, Colet, Koel, Cole

Answer 1

This was an interesting discussion, but it failed to reach a conclusion. The various profiles for Jacob still need to be merged. I think Carrie's initial question pretty well summarized much the consensus that came out in subsequent comments.

I perceived consensus for the following conclusions.

1. He was not a "van de Cuyl." That [[Van_de_Cuyl-4]] profile should be merged to the selected LNAB. Before that can happen, its project protection will need to be removed.
2. He used the patronymic Arentsz (or a variant spelling such as Arentsen). His patronymic was not Barentszen or a variant thereof.
3. His children, including Barent, the immigrant to New Netherland, were not baptized with the last name of Kool or Cool (and most definitely not van de Cuyl). Barent's [[Van_de_Cuyl-3]] profile is another one that should be merged away once its PPP protection is removed.

None of the duplicate profiles I have seen for either man has the patronymic for its last name, so the only choice we have for LNAB is between Kool and Cool. I'd give the edge to Kool because (1) that's the only LNAB spelling available for Barent Jacobsen and (2) there's reason to think that the name would have been spelled with a K in Holland, if it came from Holland.

Any objections?

Comments

I'd say you are right. Choose one, merge the duplicates. One can always revisit at a later date.

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Hi, I just returned from a 13 week trip to the New York Start Historical Society, New Jersey State Historical Society, Ulster County Historian at the County Court House, and the Walpack NJ Historical Society.

What I have found in researching the Kool/Cool/Cole/Coley and many more different spellings what that.

1) the Oldest know record of Jacobus Bartsezen Kool that has his knew signature with his spelling on it is at the New York Historical Society and it is spelled K_O_O_L in that way in his own hand wrighting in 1630.

2) Jacobus Bartsezen Kool name was strating to be used as Cool when his youngest Son Jacobus Bartsezen Kool was born in Kingston and when both Father and son were on the Ulster County Tax records together one as Kool and one as Cool.

3) The Cool name was used more with Corneulis, Leendart,  the other Stuck with Kool till the switched over to Cole as they all did in the early 1700's

I have hundreds of New Amsterdam records written in Old Dutch dating back to 1610. these are some of my most prized papers.

Answer 2

According to the Holland Society Yearbook, ''the Cole family claimed to be the oldest family of Holland descent in New York. The first ancestor in this country was Barent Jacobsen Kool, who was born in Holland before 1610 and came out with Minuit in 1625 as an officer in the West India Company. From that time to the present his family always had a representative in New York. His name appeared in a 'Condition and Agreement' between Jacob Van Curler and the Indians on 8 June 1633, and he retained his connection with the government until 1664, when he settled in Kingston.'' According to the author of The Barent Jacobsen Cool Family, the Dordrecht line of Kools going back to Adriaen Kool in the year 1450 has no connexion whatsoever with our JACOB ARENTS, also known as Jacob Arentsen Kool. 

When i created the profiles for Barent Jacobsen Kool and his father Jacob Arentsen Kool (also known as Jacob Arents) NO OTHER PROFILES POPPED UP for me to connect to. Please let that be clear. My great-grandmother was a Cool. Hers is the very last generation mentioned in the book ''The Barent Jacobsen Cool Family'' by Richard H. Benson, Boston, 2001, which i purchased in that same year. I have used his book always, esp. if there was conflicting information, as his book is very well researched and has original sources listed. I donot know how much of this book is now at internet. I have tried, when possible, to look up the Dutch sources, as i read Dutch having lived here in the Netherlands many years. Van de Kuyl has never come up in any sources named in this book. Kool / Cool on the other hand is the surname used by Barent Jacobsen's descendants in America, anglicised also to Cole. The surname Cool(e), Kool(e) exists in the Netherlands today, though i have no idea whether they are related to the Cool/Kool family in New Netherland / New York. This name is known in Germany as Kohl. In New York the name Cool / Kool was some times written as Kohl in church records. En fin, perhaps for the profile of the progenitor of this family - Jacob Arents(en) Kool/Cool - it might well be best to use his patronymic as his LNAB: thus, JACOB ARENTS, with other surnames Arentsen, Kool, Cool. That would avoid the problem being discussed. His son Barent Jacobsen Kool/Cool and descendants should only be known by some variation of the surname Kool/Cool. Thus, ''van de Cuyl'' as LNAB - in my convinced opinon - is to be ruled out. In order to have ''Van de Cuyl'' as an alternaive surname for Barent Jacobsen Kool and his descendants, it would seem to me that the onus is on those who wish to do so, to prove that he or anyone in his family was ever called by this surname in any contemporary or later document. The two names mean different things: van de Cuyl/Kuyl means ''from the hole'' whereas Cool/Kool means - at least superficially - ''cabbage'', ''coal''.   

Comments

Here's some lore that likely includes a bit of "family tradition" of the Kool/Cool family. This is from the 1894 book History of the Reformed Church of Tappan, N.Y., by David Cole (who was a Kool/Cool descendant):

The Holland name was Kool. After the surrender of 1664 it passed into Cool. Persistent mispronunciation of it from the time of this change compelled the family to adopt the spelling used at the present time. [By present spelling, he means "Cole."]

The furthest back Kool ancestors of whom we have knowledge now were Jacob Arentsen (Kool) and Aeltje Dirks of Amsterdam, Holland. They never came to this country.

The first Kool ancestor who came to America was their son Barent Jacobsen Kool, baptized in the Nieuwe Kerk of Amsterdam May 18, 1610. In 1633, at 23 years of age, he was an officer of the West India Company in New Amsterdam and signed official documents still extant. It is believed that he had come over as early as 1626. He married Marretje Leenderts. His family was one of nine which occupied Government houses on Brugh Straat (Bridge Street). The New York Church Records give him as still in the city in 1665. After this he removed to Ulster County where his name is on public lists till 1689. From this date it can be no further traced. He had nine children, all born in New Amsterdam. Some of them went with him up the Hudson and settled in and around Kingston where they have some descendants still living to day.

His oldest child Jacob Barentsen Kool, baptized before 1639 when the New York Church Records begin, married Marretje Simons. Both became members of the Reformed church of Kingston, founded in 1660. They had eight children.

There are several more generations of genealogy related to members and a minister of the Tappan church. I share this mostly because of the comments about the name.

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Thanks very much, Ellen, for the above quote from David Cole. May i please use it at some of the Kool/Cool profiles? It is rich in the important details that it contains, confirming family knowledge and tradition. Also, i have corrected the information for Jacob Barentsen Kool under Children of Barent Kool. Indeed, according to the ''Barent Jacobsen Cool Family'', page 19, his son Jacob was ''born abt 1638, either in Amsterdam before his parents sailed for New Amsterdam, or after they arrived, before the records of the Dutch Church began''.

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Of course you can use that quoted statement (or at least excerpts from it that are relevant in a particular context), Albertus. The book that I quoted from is in the public domain, I found it on the Internet (there's a link in my post), and of course this website is about sharing and collaboration -- I posted it here for everyone's information and use.

I didn't reply immediately because I was trying to figure why you were asking -- if there was some subtext to your question that I should be sure to reply to, or if you were just demonstrating your commitment to politeness in all things. I've finally concluded that mostly you are being polite, but also that you may not be able to access the link I posted. If you'd like a copy of the document (or of the pages about the Kool family) or a complete bibliographic citation, just let me know.

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Thanks, Ellen. I just came back from Paris. I had no subtext in asking your permission to use the quoted statement from the 1894 book, other than being polite. I thought that you might first want to post the quote and its source on our Kool/Cool forefathers' profile(s). By giving your permission to use it, i can now post it myself. Thanks again! Albertus

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to add to this thread, there is a website that gives to access to out of print and out of copy write books. The website is run by the National Archives and is very good wealth of information.

If you go to the home page and search for  Kool/Cool/Cole or other varient of the names and scrool through the site you will find all the Books written about the Kool and Cool Family back in the 1800's these are great resources. You can also type in Kingston Ny and find the church Records along with alot of the other Old Dutch Reform Churches.

You can also find about 80% of all the old County History that had been written in the 1800's

I have listed the site below

Archives.org

Answer 3

As there are no baptisms (they seem to be all patronymic) of the children of Jacob Arentsen Kool, actually showing the word Cool / Kool, I would suggest that the patronymic for this generation be considered as LNAB.

There might be a glaringly obvious explanation for the Cool part of the surname - the bio of Kool-248 cites a source that says ''Father works on ship between Amsterdam and Rotterdam.'' The Coolsingel is a very famous street in Rotterdam. It used to be a waterway (or moat if you will) and was filled up in 1923 to make a road. The name Coolsingel is closely connected with the Ambacht (Shire in English) Cool. This neighbourhood was heavily bombarded in 1940. Anyhow, it is clear that the name Cool was already associated with the family of Jacob Arentsen and him faring up and down from Amsterdam to Rotterdam, this name must have stuck somehow.

All circumstantial I know, but I would only start using Cool in any which way of spelling when it first appears on a baptismal record ....

Comments

Yes Philip , I agree, have been checking archives and added some info to the profiles (Bio's ) and Cool indeed seems to be the most common/ used version in Holland, although sometimes Kool also is used. 

And Ellen absolutely right no van der Cuyls or Barentsen , so Arentsz indeed is the much better patronym 

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indeed, you are correct Bea. I remember reading this feed of Ellen, Carrie, Michelle and Jan wondering why everyone got so excited about the occupation / barge thing, and now it makes total sense to me that it is connected to the Cool neighbourhood in Rotterdam (which Rotterdam annexed in 1813). Perhaps coleslaw was some of the produce he/they (for it seems to have been a family business) had to ferry ...

And I can just image how Cool could have become [van der] Cuyl because even to this day this is how Dutch words are pronounced by the English and American speaking peoples.

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Found baptism records for the children, added them , he is mentioned to be a ferryman on or at (don't know how you say this exactly ;)) Rotterdam , they didn't seem to use LNAB Cool or Kool , son Barent just was born with Patronym and very likely his father (both parents) as well . Son Barent was baptized 1609-03-12 ,added the info (birth etc) to the profiles and corrected the Birthdate (baptismdate) as well

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Thanks Bea!

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Thanks and Jan also found a lot of records so that's great, will add some images to the profiles and add the sources Jan found as well :) Love this... all working together on these  families  So thanks everyone !