Addition of Forest Finn Sticker

Question

Hello! I would like to propose the idea of a sticker for Forest Finns (skogfinner) or Forest Finn Descendants. It would be a simple sticker stating their roots or that they were part of that group, like stickers for Black Sea or Volga Germans.

I would personally use this on profiles of my Forest Finn ancestors in Norway/Sweden such as Philipsson-23 or Persson-10489, or possibly for descendants like Hendrickson-1917 who was born in Minnesota to Forest Finn parents of Swedish birth.

I think it'd be helpful to differentiate that these ancestors were not Swedish or Norwegian while being in those countries for many generations.

There is also a new flag that was adopted in 2022: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Finns#/media/File:Forest_Finns_flag.svg

Comments

I found this Wiki.  From  Help:Stickers (wikitree.com).  Profile Stickers can only be created by the Templates Project. They should not be created independently.

If you would like a new Sticker, whether or not you are a member of the Templates Project, propose it in G2G using the STICKERS tag. Include your thoughts on what it would say and give examples of profiles you manage that you would place it on. If three or more other active members say that they would also use it on profiles they manage, and there aren't strong objections from the community, it can be created.

Considering this, we just need a third person to agree that this sticker should be created, and then we need to go to the Templates Project and propose it.

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Alright! Hopefully another person is on board with this idea :)

I don't know much about making projects, but it could possibly be made under the Nordic Project or Finnish Project? The research and sources are pretty much the same as Norway/Sweden depending on what side of the border you're on (except for the addition of the Finnemanntallet 1686)

Also, where did you find your connection to the Forest Finns? Was it possibly connected to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Pålsson_Mullica ? I'm related to the Mulikka line (though it could use some more research)

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Mulikka line, yes!  I am still researching my other New Sweden ancestors to find out which are Forest Finns.  Magdalena Mullica / Mulikka and her father Paavo (Pål) "The Finn" Jönsson aka Jonsson, Juhonpoika, Mullica, Mulikka, Mullikka, Malich are the only ones that I've so far determined for certain to be Forest Finns. Someone in one of my Gedmatch Ancestor groups suggested that I might have Forest Finn ancestors based on my DNA.  I then joined the Forest Finns in America group on Facebook and introduced myself, asking if this one ancestor was a Forest Finn, and it turned out that there is a lot of documentation on the Mulikka family!  I also have 12 more ancestors who were likely Forest Finns but I don't know yet for sure.  

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I just went to the Forest Finns in America group and asked if anyone manages Forest Finn profiles on Wikitree, to please come add a comment that they support this idea and would use the sticker!  I have to wait for admins to approve it, but, maybe we will get that sticker by the end of the month.  I'm glad that I just so happened to see your post today!

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I have many profiles in my tree on my paternal grandfather's line that will get this sticker if it is created

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I am also a profile manager of at least one Forest Finn profile, Mullica-20, which I will add this sticker to if it is created.  I believe this now satisfies the requirement that at least 3 profile managers agree we will use this sticker if it is created, I very much look forward to using this sticker!  

One more thing, I drew this to the attention to a Forest Finn group and they have asked that the following options be available: " ... ... ... (is/was/is a descendant of) (a Forest Finn/Forest Finns)."  Thanks!

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Hi Susannah. Nearly there! But the requirement as you quoted above is "three or more other active members": "other" means in addition to the person making the original request. So four are needed altogether.

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Thanks for clarifying! Below is another profile manager of Forest Finn profiles who is for the sticker and would use it. Please let us know if we need to do anything else! Also I have another suggestion, for the option of clan name in the badge, i.e. my Forest Finn ancestors are from the Mulikka clan. Clan name does not necessarily match surname, especially as patronymics were often forced on Forest Finns by the government.

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Great Susannah! If Ian is still following, he might like to edit the original question and add the tag  templates  as well as  stickers  . A sticker is one kind of template, and more people follow the templates tag than the stickers one, so this might help to get attention.

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I would suggest adding the tag "Nordic" to this subject as it is highly relevant for both Norway and Sweden, as well as Finland.

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Added templates and nordic tags, thanks!

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I for one support the idea. I have Swedish and Finnish ancestry, and some of my Finnish ancestral lines branched off as Forest Finns. I just posted in the Nordic Project discord about this discussion. There are a couple of researchers there who have Forest Finn ancestors. Hopefully, they will respond.

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So how do I find this sticker to use it?

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I am wondering the same thing!  I am not sure whether the Templates and/or Stickers team have created it yet.  I did not expect it to be created the very next day or anything, but I would kind of think perhaps within a month?  We got enough "yes" votes on July 5 so maybe by August 5?  Just a guess, I don't know the turn-around time.  Also one of the requirements is that, "No one seriously objects," but I think that is mainly for things that could be objectionable...for example, I think if someone wanted to create a sticker for, "____ was a guard at a Nazi concentration camp," people might object to the sticker because it is not something to be proud of, but something horrible.  Even though there would be enough people in the world who would want that sticker for it to be created, others objecting would prevent it from being created.  So I don't see how that could be a problem for Forest Finns, not now.  At one time, yes, people would've objected, but I don't think that anyone in the world is racist against Forest Finns enough to object to this sticker, and certainly there's no legitimate objection I can imagine to helping to identify Forest Finn ancestors with a sticker.

Answer 1

I, for one, love this idea!  I recently learned that at least some of my New Sweden ancestors were Forest Finns, and if there were a sticker for Forest Finns, then it would be so much easier for others to know when they find a profile of a Forest Finn.  I also second the idea of using the Forest Finn flag for the image.  I don't know what has to happen in order to create a new sticker for a group such as an ethnicity or a religious sect.  Perhaps people just...create them?  Since it appears that no one else has taken an interest, perhaps we need to team up and make this sticker happen.

Answer 2

Sure...why not? My 7th great grand father is Hans Mansson (1612 - 1691) Mansson-425. But he was from Sweden and came to the Delaware River region that became the New Sweden Colony. And I used to live in the New Jersey Pine Barrens and canoed a few times on the Mullica River. The oldest house in New Jersey is the C. A. Nothnagle Log House purportedly built between 1638 and 1643 by the Finnish fellow Antti Nillonpoika (Anthony Neilson/Nelson) in Swedesboro, Gibbstown, New Jersey. However no one is really certain exactly who built all that can be definitely said is it was built by Finnish or Swedish settlers.