Which "Arthur J Gagne" is the father of Raymond Arthur Gagne?

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Is Arthur Joseph Gagne (1883 - Married to Ada Pelletier) the actual father of Raymond Arthur Gagne (1924) or could it be another "Arthur J Gagne"? There seem to be several candidates, all of whom were born in New Hampshire and moved to MA (or not). Sources show the son of Arthur and Ada Gagne as "Arthur Joseph Gagne, Jr." (no mention of  Raymond). They also indicate that RAG's father lived at 10 Tyler Street, Nashua, NH in Jun 1948. Gagne-832 seems to be the correct father, but more verification is needed.
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This is from the 1930 census. It does not show Raymond:

Name: Arthur Gagne
Birth Year: abt 1884
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: New Hampshire
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Fitchburg, Worcester, Massachusetts
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Lunenburg Street
Ward of City: That part of 6
House Number in Cities or Towns: 111
Dwelling Number: 15
Family Number: 50
Home Owned or Rented: Rented
Home Value: 16
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 29
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Canada
Mother's Birthplace: Canada
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Cup maker
Industry: machine Shop
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Gagne 46
Ada E Gagne 36
[31] 
Arthur Gagne 4
[4 4/12] 

 

Source Citation

Year: 1930; Census Place: Fitchburg, Worcester, Massachusetts; Roll: 962; Page: 3A; Enumeration District:0182; Image: 1007.0; FHL microfilm: 2340697

by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.4m points)
According to Ancestry.com (MA birth index), an "Arthur Raymond Gagne" was born in Fitchburg, MA in 1925. Also (US Social Security Applications and Claims), a "Raymond Arther Gagne," son of "Arther J Gagne," was born in Fitchburg, MA on 22 Nov 1925. Would the "Arthur Gagne (age 4)," referred to in the 1930 Census be the same person?

This is the WWII enlistment record for young Arthur Gagne shown in the 1930 census:

Name: Arthur J Gagne
Birth Year: 1925
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Massachusetts
State of Residence: Massachusetts
County or City: Bristol
   
Enlistment Date: 10 Mar 1944
Enlistment State: Massachusetts
Enlistment City: Fort Devens
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life
   
Education: Grammar school
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 00
Weight: 000

 

Source Information

National Archives and Records Administration. U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946

Original data: Electronic Army Serial Number Merged File, 1938-1946 [Archival Database]; ARC: 1263923. World War II Army Enlistment Records; Records of the National Archives and Records Administration, Record Group 64; National Archives at College Park. College Park, Maryland, U.S.A.

Does this indicate that we are looking at three different people?

1) Arthur Joseph Gagne, Jr., born in 1925 to Arthur Joseph Gagne and Ada Pelletier in Fitchburg, MA. (Also from Bristol?)

2) Raymond Arthur (Arther) Gagne, born 22 Nov 1925 to Arthur (Arther) J Gagne and ?? in Fitchburg, MA

3) Arthur Raymond Gagne, born in 1925 to ?? in Fitchburg, MA

All three are "Arthur Gagne," born in Fitchburg, MA in 1925. Two of them reference the father as "Arthur J Gagne," both of whom were born in New Hampshire before moving to Massachusetts.

Is it likely that there are three different people who have such similar names, have fathers with essentially the same name & birth location, and who were born the same year (1925) in the same town?

 

Hmmm . . . it seems that these two can not be the same person:

1) Arthur Joseph Gagne, Jr., born in 1925 to Arthur Joseph Gagne and Ada Pelletier in Fitchburg, MA. (Also from Bristol?)

2) Raymond Arthur (Arther) Gagne, born 22 Nov 1925 to Arthur (Arther) J Gagne and ?? in Fitchburg, MA

Based on the above answers (No mention of Raymond) related to Arthur J Gagne of Fitchburg, MA, we can probably conclude that another Arthur J Gagne is Raymond's father. Another candidate may be Arthur J Gagne of Nashua, NH. Again, however, there seems to be no mention of Raymond. ???

After hours of searching for, evaluating, and eliminating possible Raymond A and Arthur J Gagne candidates, this one remains: 2) Raymond Arthur (Arther) Gagne, born 22 Nov 1925 to Arthur (Arther) J Gagne and ?? in Fitchburg, MA

However, a connection to Nashua, NH has not been established. Any help on this?

Evidence points to this family as the correct one:

Raymond Arthur Gagne

New Hampshire Marriage Certificates

Name Raymond Arthur Gagne
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 1948 [29 May] 
Event Place New Hampshire, New Hampshire - Vital records, United States
Gender Male
Age 22
Birth Year (Estimated) 1926 [Actually 22 Nov 1925]                                     
Father's Name Arthur J Gagne
Mother's Name Ida Pelletier
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Jean Cheney
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1929
Spouse's Father's Name Adelbert H Cheney
Spouse's Mother's Name Emma K Kepner

From https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKJ7-4W35

 

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From YourFolks.com: En réponse à votre demande de recherche de baptême/naissance de Raymond A Gagne, vous trouverez ci-dessous les informations récoltées par nos experts et inscrites dans votre arbre:

Naissance le 22 novembre 1925 à Fitchburg, Massachusetts, États-Unis D'amérique
Père: Arthur J Gagne
Mère: Ida Pelletier

 

Hmmm . . . It seems they ARE the same person. The "Arthur J" from Bristol is a different person, but the "Arthur" from Fitchburg is apparently Raymond Arthur/Arthur Raymond.

A second marriage certificate shows that the parents of Raymond Arthur Gagne are: Arthur J Gagne and Ida Pelletier:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKJ7-XDXH

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