thank you , problem with Ester we don't know for sure her probable mother's (Barbara Sellen Tyson) date the 1693 on find a grave has no stone and have found mistakes on other family members grave memorials that that manager did,and some other charts and trees have her ( Barbara the mother) around 1700 but no sources so ?? with the father it makes sense son's birth date is more confident but also believe he was either 2nd or 3rd child really need to find solid source but no luck yet