G2G: The New WikiTree is Here

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Hello WikiTreers,

On Monday we released the most significant changes to our website in 11 years.

Although we have been working on these changes for over a year, and most of the major design choices were made by the community, we know there will be problems.

Some of you would have preferred that we didn't make any changes at all. I might be in that camp myself. But if a website isn't ever changing, it's slowly dying. We are not growing WikiTree just for ourselves. We need to keep it updated so that it can live long into the future. Please trust that this was not "change for change's sake" and not just aesthetic.

Even if you're excited about the changes, you won't be happy with all of them. And there will be some real bugs and problems that emerge through community usage. We expect to be making many adjustments in the coming weeks. In some ways, the release is just the beginning of a new phase of development.

When you spot a problem, please report it. If it's an emergency, you could also email info@wikitree.com.

If you're an advanced WikiTreer who uses the WikiTree Browser Extension (WBE), do not reply here. Instead, see Ian's message. We recommend that you temporarily disable the WBE so that you can see the redesign without its customizations.

Please post with an answer instead of a comment. Comments at the top will be hidden or moved. That will help us keep things organized. Thank you!

Onward and upward,

Chris and the WikiTree Team

P.S. Here are some known issues and bugs we are fixing:

  • The WikiTree Browser Extension needs to be updated, see Ian's message
  • Various profile boxes and stickers (containers for wiki templates) need to be updated, see Steve's message
  • Edit marriage links on profiles are confusing
  • Profile Previews should include WikiTree ID
  • Problems with printing
  • Non-functioning links to edit Last Name at Birth appear for non-trusted members
  • Top contributor lists on surname index pages not updating
  • Styling of tables inside text when previewing edits
  • Family tab is no longer displaying by default
  • Problem with the interaction of saving, draft saving, and Change Explanations: Browser Extension issue
  • Ancestors and Descendants links on pull-down menus
  • Bug in editing marriages
  • Archived comments on profiles may be missing
  • Private Message icons for multiple Profile Managers
  • Copy URL icon on free-space profiles
  • G2G line wrapping
  • Broken link from G2G to WikiTree+
  • Profile Previews: Off-screen for very small but not non-mobile screens

ago in The Tree House by Chris Whitten G2G Astronaut (1.6m points)
edited ago by Chris Whitten

877 Answers

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Nice job guys! I have to be honest, I don’t love it. I’m sure there will be tweaks. Best regards, I’ll leave it to the professionals.
ago by Daniel Goldman G2G Crew (820 points)

Sorry Carol Burman, that was for Carol Baldwin. She had a lot I was responding to, so needed to have it's own comment.

Also, I am seeing that statement was not worded very clearly - apologies if it came off rude (didn't mean for it to be).

I would like to ask now if I install the extension will I be able to change the background from white. 

The WikiTree Browser Extension offers a dark mode setting, or you can custom style your own experience with specific colors, etc.

If you are like me, and routinely use dark mode, there is a trick on Chrome you can use as well that works very well with the new design (but takes a bit more work). In Chrome on a Windows PC, you can do Ctrl+Shift+I (the i key) to open the Developer Tools. Once that is open, press Ctrl+Shift+P to open the run dialog, then type in 'render' without the quotes. You are looking for a panel called "Show Rendering". Once that is open, scroll down and find a checkbox called "Enable automatic dark mode" and enable it.

If not, I think the mass of white background is something currently in being addressed?

We have notes on this to be addressed later (we have to work out the bugs first).

 Also is there a way to default to family view.  It always defaults to ancestor view for me.

Yep! Header over to your settings page (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Settings#Profiles). There are some radio buttons that let you choose "When opening a profile show this tab:" and select Family and then scroll down and save. laugh


Hi Carol Burman, I responded to messages on the G2G today and I think they are getting you confused with me. I wrote about MS (I have MS), persons with color blindness, etc. I believe we are likely on the same page with this new roll out issue. There should have been Beta testing and a number of other issues. Design and IT wonks won't necessarily understand our concerns just as we cannot respond in their terms because I am not into computer design or IT. I think this roll out was way to haphazard and there really should have been some Beta testing as others have suggested. Sorry for the mixup in names. We can only do our best trying to inform techs how they need to address instructional design for various learning groups. Personally, I would prefer the prior version with some 'tweaks.'

@Otto-4021 I understand that if you were one of the developers that your feelings may be hurt by my referring to the changes as 'ugly', and informing us that the development was made by volunteer programmers, and that the focus has been on data collection and integrity of the data. However, within this arbitrary decision making at an executive level it appears to me that the volunteer work was conducted outside of the advertised principles and ethos of the founding idea. Not to mention that it is a website that is funded through advertising directed at non registered visitors to the site. So therefore there is money involved in Wikitree which could pay for the development. 

You also made the point that the developers have volunteered their time and done so for a year. My questions would be: How much time did they volunteer to researching HOW to develop the website? 

You say that a survey would not provide enough ifnormation about the required changes. Does that indicate that sometimes you will pay attention to data and sometimes not? Also your comment of 'surveys are okay .. but'.. is actually misguided. if the survey does not ask the correct questions that is on the person doing the survey and exactly WHY thought and time needs to be put into conducting the research BEFORE a change that erases the past effort and work of the other team members. (I'm referring to the erasing of the profiles that I have developed and put a lot of time and effort into). 

I am a social worker and I have been trained in community development and change management. Every single member of any team provides valuable support to the success of any project. In  this instance who ever does the management and the executive decision making (would this mean Chris Witten?), has forgotten the human component of this project - that it relies on human engagement (feelings), especially of the contributors. As someone trained in working with people, i recognise the risks attached to disregarding the human element (and we have enough AI everywhere) that people are people and everyone needs to feel valued, and the responses by those responsible for delivering the change are actually (and I reiterate) disrespectful to contributors. the bottom line is that the clinical and inhumane of creating change at this time is actually a deterrent. I am already exploring ideas of where and how I can continue with my interest in family and social history as a hobby. I find it relaxing. I was attracted to Wikitree and working on the website because it was all about connection, community and collaboration and working together. I can and will likely return to the old ways I used to contribute, (as according to the technicians we are just data processors anyway, putting sources on profiles). I'll go back to transcribing the references that wikitree members can use as 'sources on their profiles'.  I am well aware that TROVE newspapers needs transcribers on an ongoing basis. The same can be said for other places such as the Registry of Births Deaths and Marriages in NSW, or the convict data bases that we have online. Libraries Tasmania apparently holds a heap of archives of content that is yet to be transcribed, the same with Genealogy South Australia. If people behind the data and sourcing don't matter, then that makes for me, a wikitree that has lost its flavour and deviated from the promoted ethos. 

Not to mention that Chris Whitten (wikitree founder) heads a company. However, Jimmy Wales (wikipedia founder) also relies on donations - and sends out invitations to users to donate from time to time to cover the costs of keeping the integrity of the site. I contribute a small amount each month for donation. This might be an option for wikitree. 

 A quick google and even a visit to Wikipedia states that :

"WikiTree is a genealogy website that allows users to research and to contribute to family trees while building and collaborating on a singular worldwide family tree within the same system.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] WikiTree is free for the user and financed via advertisements displayed to unregistered users.[8][9][10] WikiTree is owned and hosted by founder's company Interesting.com, Inc.[11]"

ON wikitree it promotes itself as:

We're One Family

A single family tree is premised on the idea that we are all related....Your ancestors have many other descendants. These are your distant cousins and they may have information, photos, and family stories that you don't have. Putting it together just makes sense. Sharing what we have and what we learn is one of the great joys of a collaborative family tree.

By working together, not only can we build more complete and accurate life stories, we have much greater assurances that our work will never be lost. On WikiTree, we know that our ancestors' stories will be accessible to all their descendants, now and long after we are gone.

It is my perception that who ever authorised the changes in the current format has lost their way and deviated from the ethos of 'collaboration' 'value' , 'family stories' and that our work won't be lost because frankly it looks like when visiting my ancestral profiles - it most certainly has been lost. All this malcontent, could have been avoided with an inclusive effort at change creation (and thats an executive problem in my professional opinion). the lack of inclusion is a lack of direction. 


Why flag this? It was written in an intelligent and respectful manner and gets at the heart of the change issue that the genealogy 'inputters' are complaining about...that we had no opportunity to Beta test or have input into how the 'collective' tree can be improved.

Perhaps the old site should be brought back and improved upon little by little with feedback from the genealogists who are complaining so vociferously (across the globe, not just here in the U.S.).

Hi Carol, I don't understand why your remark was flagged as criticism either - it's from your perspective.

I don't like the new format either and would much prefer it went back to the old format - it worked.

Exactly my thoughts!!

@Carol Baldwin, I'm not sure I understand here. Has my comments been marked as 'offensive' and your comments? If so that is not a good sign. Why ask for feedback if we are meant to censor it and be dishonest? I'm a believer that there is no such thing as 'negative feedback' simply feedback. If my comments have been flagged for 'moderation' and potential removal, i would reiterate that I have concerns about the misuse of words such as 'collaboration' and 'inclusion'. Im somewhat offended that other people get credited for my own work and efforts (even if they are not family members, or family members by marriage only), and they refuse to hand over profile management or even share it. I'm also offended when I've worked extensively on profiles and someone comes in arbitrarily and removes my content under the idea of 'change and evolve' and 'move with the times'. I haven't flagged anyone for not agreeing with me although I do find some of the comments about the contributors to be dismissive and invalidating, and outside of what i thought wikitree was supposed to be about. However, there are a lot of supersensitive people around I guess and I imagine this is why there is a pushback globally at the 'cancel culture' of 'i dont' like what you are saying so therefore I will silence you'. I am also a supporter of the ideas and concepts of Voltaire "I may not agree with you but I will fight to the .. for your right to express your opinion. Anyway, any project that relies on an echo chamber is doomed, a progressive project will embrace criticism both negative and positive and I have said on a positive note, that I haven't found any issues with functionality of the new site, but the aesthetics are what I don't like, and as a solution I've suggested that developers could look at interactive design (where people can select the viewer mode - ie desktop or mobile), and i am well aware that this can be done, but the problem woudl be that it was not thought of previously (because there was no consultation with contributors apparently), and now needs to be done retrospectively (and some reformatting which would not be difficult for a developer. My suggestions are entirely manageable, and my suggestion is also - Wikitree does make money from adverts, and there is also the option for a fundraiser to pay a devleoper to make an interactive format. I'm not just whining, i'm offering workable solutions. Anyway thankyou for your support. I'm going to keep monitoring the discussion although I now have concerns because i've expressed my view point I may have my membership revoked. I hope not,

I'm struggling. I don't like anything I've seen. I'm clicking and clicking and not finding what I want. Can we go back to the other version? Please! It was perfect for my needs before. This is just terrible!

As of today Saturday morning my navigation page is blank. I’m on an iPad, I never had any problems before the change.

Hi Laura- 2 links have been added to the very top of the post which might help you with navigation. Ellen, thank you for mentioning the slowness issue, I sent a note to Info with some other reports of the same. And Ellie, thanks for your suggestions.

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When viewing a relationship to me page. Informational Pop Ups do not center on a page. They appear partially on the screen.
ago by Frank Broughton G2G6 (6.3k points)

now this answer should go to the message. which i totally didn't understand. i managed to mess up everything for me even more. thank you i will try this way.

Strange, I have no option to update...maybe it already updated all mine automatically.

I too did not see an option to update the WBE, but then I saw the 'developer mode' togle at the top right and that brought up the 'update' option.

The extension works well with the Brave browser, but I did have to turn on the developer mode before an update button appeared. Let's hope it worked. Brave is a far more secure browser than anything by Google or Mozilla.

The developer mode trigger worked for me, too.  Thank you!

@Frank, the profile feature issue should now be corrected.

Imagine only having a cell phone and that being the way I've completed thousands of hours if WikiTree work for several years and suddenly being shut out and unable to do anything with practically. Even when making items microscopic by "viewing in desktop mode" my headaches are triggered within minutes of straining, searching scrolling and being continually "pulled back" to the pages center. Devastating. Not a "woe is me" post but trying to reply on a few different relevant answers and replies with hopes someone will finally help me with something relevant as I was ignored in all of the previous chats before going live. I thought I'd logged in to a bootleg FamilySearch page on accident at first when the format came up as it is nearly the same layout but they've always been cell phone friendly and free as well.

Confirmed on my work computer.... will check when I get home too. THANK YOU Steve!

You're welcome Frank!

Becky --

If you haven't already, could you create your own answer to this post and describe the problems you're having there?

Please include the device you're using -- Android or iPhone, for example -- and what browser you're using.

All of that information will make it easier for someone to give you some help.

+25 votes
On the whole I like it.
Are the stickers meant to have a yellow background? It doesn't look good.
List line spacing and indents still needs work.

I'm not to keen on the G2G layout though, it's not so easy to distinguish where a new question starts.

Well done for no major problems that are obvious!
ago by Gill Whitehouse G2G6 Pilot (217k points)

Steve, I viewed various British Royals (since I saw Ros managed some, here's one example Anne (Windsor) Laurence ) and saw a variety of background colors for their stickers.  I just emailed you my WBE text file.


I'm seeing the same thing as Ros. Windows workstation; hefty GPU; latest version of Chrome; several forced refreshes--have even created a new profile and added multiple source citations (no problems there); never used WBE. While it doesn't bother me terribly, I'm seeing the same yellow-green-gray-white sequence for stickers on any profile I visit, whether it's one I've seen before or not. Doesn't seem that it's related--at least not entirely, anyway--to cached data.

Here's a screen capture:


Yep, exactly what I was going to mention. It's not a big deal, just not expected.

As far as the stickers, 4+ are all white background, in case you wanted to know.

Edison, Ros, Lucy et al., After a long night, I finally figured this out. It is WikiTree BEE causing the sticker display issues. I have messaged Ian.

Hi Steven, thank you so much for finding out that the colours are caused by BEE. I didn't think of BEE, as everyone was just mentioning that WBE could cause problems. It's definitely BEE, if I turn it off, the colours are white.
Interesting is, that for me, only the font background is coloured, not the whole background of the stickers. But I also have two different yellows as above.

Edit: Seems I can't upload the screenshot.
Edit 2: see screenshot by Edison Williams above: my screen at work shows yellow and green for the first two stickers, my screen at home shows yellow and light yellow. So my "two different yellow" are not really two.

The figures take up half the page. Why do we need them? Really.

@Nicholas, what "figures" are taking up space?

I assume he means the header and the blue or pink box.  On a 13" laptop, they take up the full screen.

I work on Dark Mode at all times Computer using Vivaldi which is Chrome based, displaying on a TV. The Yellow pop ups with white writing are unreadable. This occurs in many places.

What is also strange is the family group? At the top of profile. The Icons at the start of a line is odd. The more I look at the page it looks so unfriendly and having it start in a smaller font than the rest is very strange. That should be inviting if you want more people to join.

Has the font itself changed. In the old version it was very difficult to distinguish between an i and an l I had to rely on a spell checker to correct William every time or is it just a bigger font?

Back to the family group, When a person is missing you can click on it to go to the add person page. If a child is missing that is not there. So off to the oddly placed icon with a yellow pop up I can't read

It feels so clunky. I don't think I have ever scrolled so much.

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The Descendants button doesn't seem to present the correct information.  

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Evans-33197

The description says he had six children, and it shows 5.  Children listed are under the wrong parent.

Also, on the same profile, I tried to edit the marriage, and the Save button doesn't seem to work.

BTW - this is a fantastic upgrade.  Thanks!
ago by Kathy Evans G2G6 Mach 6 (68.5k points)

Hi Kathy. Are you using the WikiTree Browser Extension? If so, see https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1862406/wikitree-browser-extension-2-0

Hi, Kathy -- 

I'm seeing 6 children listed for Evans-33197, and it shows his wife as Agnes Margaret Crowe. 

Try doing a "hard" refresh on your screen: 

  • Ctl-Shift-R on Windows
  • Cmd-Shift-R on Mac
Also, if you're running the WikiTree Browser Extension, you'll need to make sure it's updated to Version 2.0.

When you have saved an edit to a profile, and a banner comes up saying "Changes Saved", the two buttons on the banner have text in mid-green on a dark-green background - impossible to read.  Please change this.

Incidentally, when I hit 'reply' to make a comment on this answer, the system zoomed me up to the top of the entire thread, under the question, so I had to scroll back to find out where to comment.

Thanks, Julie, WBE just updated and I see it correctly.

Thanks, Chris.  That was the trick!

For anyone else who might have trouble with this, I found I had to restart Chrome to get it to pick up the new extension version.

Hi, Ros --

I'll make a note of the save comment: 

When you have saved an edit to a profile, and a banner comes up saying "Changes Saved", the two buttons on the banner have text in mid-green on a dark-green background - impossible to read.  Please change this.

I'm not seeing the same problem with the reply in G2G, though. Have you tried closing your browser and reopening it?? I'm not sure what else to suggest at this point, but that's worth a try. Let me know if that doesn't solve the problem.  


Switched off browser, then counted to 10, then restarted it.  Same thing happened.  Tried to reply to your comment, and the system zoomed me back up to the top.

Thanks, Ros -- I'll make a note of both things.

The save button only works for me if i save a draft first.

Same here, Aaron.

I don't know if you all saw, but this was only an issue if you were running the WBE, and if you typed something in Explain Your Changes instead of using one of the radio-button options, it wasn't a problem.

I haven't had a chance to see if it's been fixed yet, but I know that Ian was answering questions/taking feedback here: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1862406/wikitree-browser-extension-2-0

I can't put browser extensions nor do the control alt etc on my ohone which is all I have e to use and all I've used for my work on here every day for years. It does the same thing for me and keeps taking me to the top of the page when trying to reply on different posts for exposure to get acknowledged that there are some people who can't afford anything but my phone right now and therefore may have to lose my passion projects.  I digress bc the reason for this response was in support that the bug isn't fixed for everyone and I've seen it written on nearly every post at least once- not sure if anyone else uses a non-apple phone but if able to be considered I'd be grateful as well.

+99 votes
It's not good! The old site looked more inviting and was easier to negotiate. When I first saw it, I assumed the page had gone wrong. The Suggestion tag that I only found today seems to have disappeared.
ago by Barbara Roach G2G6 Mach 1 (10.6k points)

Steven, when someone writes "I hate it," it very likely means every change that has been made to this website as of 3/10/25. Personally, I hate it and that means everything, the white space, nothing intuitive in terms of setting up new family members, the colors (if people want color, use that browser that wonks came up with a year or so ago), loss of photos (I don't like having to scroll and now the right side of profiles are barrent of more than one image at a time.

If you read all the dislikes, you will get the picture. People who are not computer wonks (but genealogists) will make it clear over and over that there was very little wrong with the OLD site. You could have saved a year and just 'tweaked' here and there.

Let's think of something positive. I like the fact that the basic information at the top of the profile is coloured pink or blue for the sex of the person. I would prefer that all basic information is there (including the birth and death dates).

@Carol, we are finding quite the opposite really. Once specific concerns / roadblocks are addressed, users are finding the site easier to work with. So I do not agree that "I hate it" applies to the entire site.

The best way to improve the experience moving forward is through specific, constructive feedback rather than broad statements about disliking everything. If there are particular issues making genealogy work more difficult, we’re happy to listen and address them.

I am seeing many comments saying they "hate" the new site.  Like in any major change (this time after 11 years), there are likely to be many dislikes.  First of all, we should thank the many Wikitreers who have worked hard on this update. The transition to the new version appears successful without losing the millions of profiles in the system.  Secondly, pro-active comments should be made, which I'm sure the software managers will take into account in their next revision..  Hats off to all the contributors.   Wikitree is still the greatest genealogy site because of its collaborative nature.

Unfortunately, not many of us have the same sort of ancestors that you have and it is not easy to find everything we need. I would rather have an almost empty profile that other members can improve and connect to others than no profile at all.

Carol, what is confusing me is this:

The textbox where you write the biography has not changed. You go to the edit page (one click like before), scroll down to the box (like before) and then type in a box (like before).

What part of the design has changed so drastically, that writing has become impossible to manage?

Barbara Roach: 'Same sort of ancestors that I have?" John Baldwin is NOT even my ancestor despite the last name! That's rather insulting.

Here is an ancestor of NO CONSEQUENCE: (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baldwin-10527) and I managed to find a number of sources for him and spent time writing a decent profile.

Here is another older profile of an Ancestor of no consequence. (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baldwin-465). You will see an acknowledement at the bottom as to when I redid Isaac's profile. The Changes tab would have shown you the history. I was not his original PM and I cannot even tell you the history of this profile now that Changes is gone.

As to the opportunity to improve profiles? That's almost worth a laugh. In my experience over the past 6 or so years, NO ONE (or very few) ever goes back to improve on these one line biographies with no real sources. I see these types of entries time after time. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GENALOGY SITE!

While I do not consider FindAGrave to be a source, there are Gravers who are saying they do not want to see 'WikiTree' information on their biographies. After seeing the examples of what I showed you from WikiTree, I can understand why the Gravers write this. NOT a great endorsement for WikiTree! And very few people go back and improve on this biographies. I have followed up and done some that are not even my ancestors. The PMs left notes saying 'will add bio later...sometimes those were written 5 to 10 years ago!

And as to this 'new' look, these are all drastic changes...The white space, the difficulty navigating from one profile to another, completing a profile, then having to pull it up again to copy and paste the url into the Integrators. On the home page (not the edit page), seeing more than one marriage in one long line rather than seeing the marriages one under the other with the most recent at the bottom with the dates of the marriage.

In the old site, having the column headings on the upper left to scroll down and find sources (or whatever) to do searches, the ease of finding the link if one is having problems with members, the colors (what if one is color blind), the images that lined the right to cover the white space, rather than having to click forward/back arrows...The pictures themselves were part of the profile legacy. Where do I find "Changes" that other people made in the past, or started the profile with a GEDCOM? All of those links are gone. The new look has just made this site more difficult to navigate for many of us.

Yes, I have a doctorate in psychology. I did my dissertation on a typewriter with carbon paper and did graphs by hand (maybe younger people should go back and do that so they understand current issues). I still publish in professional journals. I can hold zoom meetings. But to set a "new look" up akin to Rube Goldberg style that simultaneously loses a number of tabs from the old site is NOT an improvement.

I cannot begin to tell you what all has changed to make is so damnably hard to work on new profiles or even revise old ones unless you are sitting next to me. And I know for a fact that all I complain about have been voiced by others.

Personally, this 'new look' is reminiscent of Rube Goldberg. WikiTree should be simple and uncomplicated with a focus on doing GENEALOGICAL profiles with sources. Instead, it has become overcomplicated in design which is defeating the purpose of WikiTree.

I'm not that happy with the new look myself but the links haven't gone, they're just in different places. Yes, I keep looking for them in the old places until I remember.

I and many others who do 'data-doctoring' are constantly finding profiles that need improving and doing something with them. This is an on-going task but at least someone in the past has had the decency to share their tree with others, however meagre it may be.

I often find that Find-a-Grave information is taken as gospel when it is merely another form of WikiTree, with people adding their own trees without the graves or other sources to back up the information. Unfortunately it is not so easy to correct information on Find-a-Grave.

Perhaps those who reorganised the site could offer some sort of feedback survey so that those who don't like it (including me) can offer positive suggestions instead of ranting on G2G.

Why should anyone who hates the changes and thinks they are a disastor "thank" anyone for those changes?

I have realised that if there are multiple spouses, they are all shown on the same line under the Family tab. Can this be changed to separate lines as before please?. This would make it a lot clearer.

+76 votes
I worked so hard on formatting.  Now so much spacing between all lines I have lost my connectivity.  Just lines of text.  Much Harder to read.  Have page at 67%.  Endless scrolling and helpless to condense what was a carefully constructed bio.
All my added bolding ... gone.. I used this especially in highlighting links between Grants and later Conveyances.
Font was readable before... white-space is overwhelming.

Cheers,

April (Auto space between Cheers and April e.g.  Cannot state a fact with supporting details below and keep it grouped.

ps I was utilizing WikiTree to do in-depth, well-sourced research for difficult bios.  Looks like paragraph bios only.  So bummed.
ago by A M G2G3 (3.5k points)

You also appear to be focusing on fixing specific bugs in the new system instead of listening to the 95% of us commenting here telling you the biggest issue:

 Stop waiting until later to FIX THE BIGGEST ISSUE! 

We are aware of the feedback. It has been noted and will be discussed further, but it is not the top priority at this moment. Think of it this way: What exactly is the 'correct' change to font and spacing? One person might want the font one point smaller, another five - there’s no universal fix, which is why it’s not as simple as just making it 'smaller' or 'tighter.' Changes like this need to be carefully considered to ensure accessibility, usability, and consistency across all devices.

The internet has had major updates in coding and most new websites are using Grid or at least flexbox. I did an 'inspect' and this new design does not appear to have updated the coding system. I apologize if I am wrong about that but at first glance at least, I don't see any grid or flexbox coding.  

Your claim that the site hasn’t been updated to modern coding standards is simply incorrect. The site has been fully redesigned using a mobile-first flexbox grid system. I am not sure what you saw on your 'inspection', but it is clearly there.

If you were not going to update the coding - which div/table sites are really now very outdated - then why bother?

This appears to be a gross misunderstanding of web development. Divs are a fundamental part of HTML structure, as they are essential for defining page layout and hierarchy. Similarly, tables exist for presenting tabular data - which is their intended purpose. So the simple presence of divs or tables does not mean a site is outdated. What actually matters is how they are used within a structured, maintainable, and modern framework which is what this redesign was aimed at doing. If you want to discuss the technical side of this in more detail, feel free to send me an email so we don't bore everyone here.

...as a web-designer I know its not that difficult to do and could be done in less than 30 mins.

This kind of change takes seconds. The challenge isn’t making the change, as I stated above, it’s about determining the right one. We can’t keep adjusting blindly, hoping someone eventually says we got it perfect.

We welcome constructive and actionable feedback, but dismissing months of development with inaccurate claims doesn’t contribute to a productive discussion. If you have specific, actionable suggestions beyond “go back to the old version,” or "the font is too big," we’re open to hearing them. But simply resisting change for the sake of familiarity is not a valid argument.


Thank you for taking feedback seriously and providing the outlet. Edit button remaining at top right and preview pop-up will save on scrolling.  Thanks.

Mobile phone reading looks good too.

I have no idea why the blue links changed to random pink/green on my end  with the update.  I will try to add a screen print and do some investigation on my end.

April, I think I see what you mean now :)

All links should show in green text. Then once you visit them, they change to purple:

  ago by Steven Harris G2G6 Pilot (815k points)


In that sample, there isn't a significant change in Font size.

But on my laptop, there's a massive change in Font Size. Probably about 50% to 100% taller than it used to be.

What's going on. Is there a setting somewhere?

Nicholas, check your current zoom level. Some people were zoomed in on the old design (over 100%) and it was a massive change on the new design.

If you are on a Windows PC, try doing a Ctrl+0 (zero) to reset the zoom level and see if that helps.

I dropped my zoom from 100% to 75% to mitigate the current issue.

But even if the zoom was higher, that wouldn't explain the relative change in the old versus new font size. Which I don't see in the example above.

I don't have a screen print of how it looked to me prior. I wish I did.  If I do run across one, I will post it.  I do know the font looked different and by using :, ::, and :::, I eliminated double-spacing between lines which provided a visual grouping.  This can be seen in the 24 Sep 1784 cut-n-paste sample I provided.  And I do know there appeared to be less spacing between lines which definitely looks better on a monitor.

I had to bold the colons because I can barely see them otherwise.

It would also be nice to have the ability to eliminate the double-spacing between the as follows statement and the # formatting as in a list of children. Again, being able to have some formatting options for transcriptions, lists, timelines, etc. would be very helpful.

Cheers, April


April, we are already working on the indentation via colons.

I do wish the links were still blue before clicking on them.  The blue did not overwhelm the black text on a white screen and the in-line citation numbering was easier to read.  Then change to green to show it had been seen on this time's log-in.
By the way, I never use white text on black screen mode.  And never when I am working.  Much to hard to see. Not certain if this has anything to do with the changes.

Cheers, April

I was actually at 90% on the old design.  I see what Nicholas is seeing and had to go to 67%.  I have to wear readers regardless.

Since I was working in WikiTree through the "Save Work update Imminent" type warnings, I know there was not a settings change on my PC. Instantly, the font became much larger, lighter and more spread-out.

+85 votes
I'm in shock, it is so plain and ugly! With that being said, where's the relative activity now? Where I see the changes to profiles I manage all in one place? I see my changes but not for my profiles where other people change things.
ago by Teresa Willis G2G6 Mach 5 (58.5k points)

I don’t see the who makes what changes and what they do etc either, that function was nice because you could message them and ask questions if needed.

That's great, Teresa!!

Alice, I *think* you're talking about the Activity Feed, and that's still on your My WikiTree menu. 

If you're looking for the Change Log on a specific profile, look for this icon in the menu near the top of the profile:


No it was the change button, I found it way off to the side unlabeled.

When will we be able to add a background photo at the top like in the example days ago? That would make it much less plain that others dislike so much.

I haven't even tried to add anyone yet because I am trying to let them work on the bugs. Please take care of that BP! I hate to be a "Negative Nancy" and I am not one that hates change, in fact I love change, but these profiles are just ugly now. Best Regards Juliet

JW wrote: "TOOK ME HOURS TO TRY TO ADD ... after HRS, WAY TOO LONG FOR A FEW ADDITIONS, AND NOW MY BLOOD PRESSURE"

I concur, but it was that way before these updates, too. I can only do a very few edits or additions on WT before I have to log out, clear history+cookies, shut down and take a walk in the sunshine to release the stress. Dinking with genealogy, cross-checking passed down notes vs. various web site entries vs. gov't data pages, helping other individual figure out genealogical conundra used to be one of my stress relievers.  Not anymore.

SEarch/find page should have option

4 Search for Any Text

Never EVER Use Evil Alphabet/Google to search

Use FirstPage. Use DuckDuckGo. Use DogPile... use ANYTHING other than Google.


Tried to delete these two message that were placed under the wrong question. NOTHING WORKS: delete button NO, edit button, NO cancel button, NO, hide button, NO, refreshed page NOTHING WORKED. cleared history on computer, NOTHING WORKED. FINALLY A POP-UP CAME ON SCREEN: "

This page isn’t working right now"


Julie, I think that was an inappropriat comment "Yup -- we're going to have to retrain our muscle memory." especially when we are working on genealogy profiles FOR NOTHING, NO PAY, NOTHING...just trying to connect families, maintain history, do proper profiles with sourcing. The last thing we need to read is retraining our muscle memory. What about those of us, like myself, who have multiple sclerosis, who work very hard on our profiles to hear some computer wonk tell us that we need to work on our muscle memory when our memory was working just fine (and the profiles looked great) prior to this fiasco of a roll out!


Carol -

I'm sorry you took offense at that. It simply means that we're all going to have to adjust those movements that we're used to making. I'm sure that's more of a struggle for some us than for others.

Change is hard for everyone, and adjustments to the design are being made as we speak. Hopefully, things will get easier as we go along.

+68 votes
Is there a way to reduce the font size?  

Thanks,

Tina
ago by Tina Kobus G2G6 Mach 3 (31.6k points)

You can zoom out in the browser. However, this does not affect the line wrapping (i.e. how much text is on one line). In the new design there is less text on each line of the bio (or table row). I would also prefer a slightly small font size so that we can get as much text on one line as previously.

Thanks Rob, I will do that for now.  However, It would be nice if we had the option to adjust the font size, like maybe in Account Controls or somewhere else.

Strongly agree with Tina that this should be adjustable in settings.

I agree, the new font size is just too big, I'm scrolling and scrolling, specially here in G2G!

I wish the old font size back, or at least a standard "internet" font size. If people are having issues with their view, it's easier to adjust their browser or screen once. Having a different size in just one website is not helpful. Also zooming out is not helpful, because newly opened tabs in the browser will have the same zoomed size. And genealogy usually needs several tabs open.

I love the larger font size! Bifocals on almost 60 year old eyes appreciates that. The Profile ID# at the top needs to be enlarged. It's almost missed. The area with profile manager and dates is actually different sizes on different profiles, not consistent. Dislike the shade of yellow. Love the extra space and not so crowded. I added a new profile today with no issues.

It's partly the font size in some fields, but also all the white space.

I have to admit I do like the font size,

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

I agree with the font needing to be smaller.  I do not want to have to zoom out for this site and zoom in while looking at others.  Also my hand is getting tired from all the scrolling up and down that has to be done when looking at a profile.

+26 votes

I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature, but next to the profile's name is a huge text block that says "/UserID" It seems to be a hyperlink, but doesn't go anywhere, nor do I get a message that the ID was copied to the clipboard. Using Chrome Version 133.0.6943.142 on a MacBook Pro running Sonoma.

ago by Amy Johnson G2G6 Mach 9 (90.2k points)

Amy - that is what it looks like if you have not updated your WikiTree Browser Extension

That means you are still running the old WBE. You have to upgrade to the new WBE 2.0 version

Thanks, but I was already running the current version of WBE (2.0.1.4). I had to uninstall it and re-install it (thanks to the suggestion of April on Discord).

I un-installed and re-installed Wikitree bee (for Firefox). I still see the huge User-ID text. What else could I do to remove it?

It's not the BEE, it is WBE, either the stable version or preview   


You are absolutely right. It works now:-) Thanks

Same here I get no notification that the WT ID has been copied

Looks like we got this one taken care of. Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

+23 votes
I'm surprised. I didn't think I'd like it (I'm like a cat - I HATE change!)

But I do! Well done y'all!
ago by Liz Shifflett G2G6 Pilot (702k points)

ok - having used it a bit, I have a couple things.

I went to do some editing, and the edit window is only half the size of my computer screen, since it doesn't "stack" the photo edit part. Which makes editing really hard with the bigger font - which I like. 

I found a workaround - resizing the minimize option for the window to where it forces that side panel to stack instead - but could there be an option added to select stacking instead of side panel?

Also, in case no one has mentioned it yet, span targets (span anchors? I forget the terminology) hit a few lines too low. See for example https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Noland-165#Categories. I have an internal link to it in the profile's text... the clickable Categories link at the top of the page (which I just discovered isn't there unless my window is full screen - took me awhile to figure out that they were now in a menu) - Categories: 24 - works fine, using the same coding.


I was going to post:

hmm. I hadn't tried clicking the Categories: 24 link that's in the dropdown menu on the resized screen. It doesn't take me anywhere. None of the links do.

And then I wondered if the links in the main WikiTree menu worked (they do) & went to double-check the page navigation menu and it wouldn't open. Does that mean you're working on it?


re: "could there be an option added to select stacking instead of side panel". I really hope so. I needed to edit a space page and went to use my workaround of resizing the window. It's not a viable option. For the person profile, I just had to shrink the window size a teeny bit to force the stack. For the free-space profile, I had to narrow the window much more to force the side panel to stack - so much so that I wound up with less screen width for the edit than at full screen with the side panel.

Thanks for the feedback, Liz. We're looking what you've mentioned here.

and now, having used it a lot, I'm finding a lot of things that are giving me a headache. I started with a list of those things, then edited the list until it covered only suggestions for those that were fixable:

  • Can a PPP or PMP icon with a link to the profile's project box be added? I'm thinking a circle (same size and beside the Privacy icon in the very top part of the profile, the area with the background image) with a big P or M and PP in the background of both, so that it's easier to tell at a glance if a profile is managed or protected by a project? If an internal page link to the project box displayed on the profile is impractical, at least a link from the PPP icon to the PPP banner on the profile page and from the PMP icon to the same place as the "Problems or Questions" button (which is just above a project box in both stacked and side panel displays), since all locked profiles have the PPP banner and all profiles have the Problems or Questions button. 
  • Clicking the edit pen for a marriage takes you to add/remove spouse instead of what I thought it would (edit the marriage info). I hate to add an edit pen (not a design feature I like in the saved profile), but the add/remove spouse pen should be by the name of the spouse & the pen that follows marriage date and place should take you to the edit window for date/place of marriage. Alternatively, remove that pen? (The children don't have one to add/remove children.) Or - better yet - remove all of edit pens from that area, since links to the various sections are available at the top of the edit view - "Edit Data Edit Family Edit Biography/Text Photo Settings Save", displayed in a banner on the side-panel view & in the dropdown menu for internal page links at the top of the stacked view. Leaving only the one edit pen would also, in my opinion, improve the appearance of the saved profile.
  • Selecting Preview to review the results of your edits opens a window that blocks the edit window, so you cannot keep the Preview open and make edits. Also, you cannot search the Preview text (or I haven't been able to figure out how to do so). Having the Compare window block out the edit window, with the only X at the top, was annoying enough. But having the Preview do the same makes using Preview for a final proofread of my work before saving impractical, resulting in more saved versions (which, if I recall, the impetus behind the Compare option was to reduce the number of saved versions). Could there be an option to open Preview in a separate tab/window instead of on top of the edit window? 
  • You can't right-click on the magnifying glass to open the search page in a different tab/window. Well you can right-click on it & open it in a different tab/window, but what you get is the image of a magnifying glass.
  • The links under the Privacy icon on a profile: Can you again have "Copied" replace the tooltip for [WikITree ID] Link URL Cite (as in the previous design). For someone like me who is a poor mouser, it is helpful to have confirmation that what I wanted to copy was successfully copied. Fixed! Yay! Thanks so much.
  • And... all the internal page links are still missing their targets, which is especially annoying with  ^for^ the footnotes & their callouts and also links based on span id targets. The internal links from the sticky menu bar work now. The small screen menu links don't.  

I think it's telling that after 13 years on WikiTree I had 40 down votes. After posting that I liked the new design, the down votes have jumped to 50 (and yes, I checked before I posted, as I thought I might gain a few down votes). I even gained another down vote while writing this comment: 51 and counting.

I mentioned that using the new format a lot is giving me a headache. It is also causing me physical pain (mostly because of how much more I'm having to use the mouse with the new format - hopefully I'll figure out keyboard shortcuts in time, but the ones I used previously no longer work as needed). These are my problems though, and not really things that I can suggest a change for (aside from having a setting option to select stacked view of elements regardless of window size). Sadly, I think the fix for me will be curtailing the time I spend on WikiTree. Or maybe that's a good thing. I've had "spend less time on WikiTree" as a New Year's Resolution since 2013 and failed every year. <sigh>


re: the Preview pane... I discovered you can get rid of it by clicking in the bit of the edit window visible beneath it. And when I went to search for something, it worked. So I suppose you can drop that one way down on the list (I was going to say cross it off, but I still think it would be nice to have the options to Open in another tab / Open in another window when you right-click on the Preview button).

re: the magnifying glass. You can cross that one off. Clicking on it opens a "short-form" search at the top of the window/page you're on & you can then right-click on Advanced Person Search to get the full search page on a new tab or window. Yay!


Owning my UP vote.  These are great notes and suggestions, Liz.

You're a great tester. I agree with almost all of them. (I don't use Preview.)

Thanks for the UP vote Jillaine! To be fair, the 11 extra down votes came before I had posted additional comments to my answer. I've been holding steady at 51 since then.

Thanks for the additional feedback after a few more days, Liz! As Abby mentioned above we're noting the suggestions and bugs and looking into them.

Small note: The "copied" indicator is not there after copying an ID or such.

We continue to work on other issues.

You're great, Liz.

Thanks Chris! You and the Team Members working all these issues are pretty great yourselves :D

P.S. "now", not "not"

+32 votes
Change is never easy!  First impression is the visual bright appearance; takes use to!  I will take the time to explore in great detail over the next few days before making a final judgement. Past experiences in the corporate world have taught me never make hasty commentaries without first better understanding the overall concept and take the time to explore the inner workings of the work presented to me.
ago by Jean-Guy Cyr G2G2 (2.0k points)

Thanks for the feedback, Jean-Guy, and for taking some time to explore. :-)

Why was change even necessary? It looks like complete ***** on a normal laptop screen.

Yes, I cannot put my finger on why but I find myself squinting while I am working on WikiTree now.  It hurts my eyes and gives me a headache.  Cannot work for long stretches like I used to be able to.

Press and holding the ctrl key with your left hand and at the same time press the + key with the right hand.  This should zoom you in; if you want it larger, just repeat.

To reduce ctrl key plus - key 

Hope this helps.


+22 votes

It is very nice and more modern. Very nice work. Like some others here, my only issue is font size. If we could adjust that (font size) I will give it a perfect score. As a software engineer, I understand how much work went into this! Thanks!

ago by William Jackson G2G5 (5.3k points)

Well never mind that, I kicked front size down one notch on Safari for this site. Looks fine and I am happy.

Great! Thanks, William!

Cool! I'm glad it's adjustable. Personally, my old eyes are happy with the larger font for text - even though it means I'm seeing minor typos I'd missed before (e.g., periods/commas).

Liz, I can totally relate to that

I work on a PC with Firefox.  No extensions.  I haven't followed the discussion closely.

New WT has a very clean overall look.  Good icons.  Good use of small text.

Text is too big but I've set Firefox to 80% and now it's fine

<blockquote> styling is very nice!

Many of the profiles I work on are a sea of purple text ("visited link"). All family members, many sources.  It's unattractive and I'd like to revert to unvisited.  (I can't remember how this used to be.)

Numbered lists no longer indented?  Indent is now only two spaces?

Hi Steve - Issues with numbering and indentation are being addressed (here are 2 links to G2G answers on this post indicating this...  March 14 and March 12)  Edit: also, your comment about the visited link color has been noted. Thank you!


I know that not everybody will like the purple visited links, but it is unlikely we will reverse this decision. It was made a year ago after extensive conversations here in G2G and research on usability. For what it's worth, I believe the WikiTree Browser Extension includes an option for changing the visited link color to any color you like, for those who want to go that route.

Cheers,

Chris

The color for unvisited vs visited links is an accepted standard in web page design. This redesign was obviously handled by a team who understood how to do it. I say kudos for all the hard work! I work in IT, though usually in middleware, I know just how much work goes into such a project! Thank you all for your hard work!

+11 votes
Well done getting it up and running!  I'll try to restrict my comments to small items - one a time.

There is no text showing in the menu pull-down headings at the top of the page, just the outlines of the boxes.  Four boxes in the centre and two at the right.  I can click these and see the submenus and run things ok.

My browser is Firefox 136.0 for Ubuntu, released on March 4th.

WikiTree browser version 1.26.

OS - Ubuntu 24.04.2

hth

David
ago by David Barrington G2G5 (5.4k points)

It sounds as if you are running the old WikiTree Browser Extension. You should have WBE 2.0 (or higher). Works fine for me under Firefox 136.0 for Mint

Turn off WBE or update to the 2.0 branch. There are quite a few issues with old WBE versions and the new site.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1862406/wikitree-browser-extension-2-0

Thanks - my extension was set to auto-update but it wasn't doing.  Removed and re-installed - now have v. 2.0.1.4 and problem fixed.

+26 votes
I'm usually pessimistic about website redesigns, especially ones that try to turn desktop sites into mobile ones (I instantly convert any reddit link I open to "old.reddit.com" and I have an extension that converts Wikipedia pages to the old layout that doesn't waste so much white space on the sides), but I think WikiTree's is easy enough to get used to, especially considering I only found out about it about ten minutes before the change. I'm not sure if I'd consider it an inherent improvement, though, aside from looking a bit sharper with the shift from orange to green. The profile manager and DNA info boxes also feel a bit weird being cast to the right side rather than staying closer to the top.

Really, the primary thing for me is text size—I like being able to see a lot of text and other content on a page without having to scroll so much or wade through tabs, and the previous font size was perfect, with the new one being a bit too big for comfort (80% zoom on my browser is my "fix" for that).
ago by Matthew Dryden G2G6 Mach 1 (13.4k points)

Matthew, thanks for the feedback, it's appreciated.

+103 votes
Why fix what is not broken? The layout of "Old Wikitree" was more logical and easier to use. I especially dislike that the biographical data are now separated from the biography, that there is so much useless empty space, and that the menus are no longer at the top right corner of the page. I totally disagree with the principle of change for change's sake: this leads not to progress, but to confusion and discouragement.
ago by Albertus Robert Casimir Jung G2G6 Mach 1 (13.6k points)

As a Guest user for over the past two years, I am in general agreement.  I have not contributed much as I am still researching existing data.  Over the past several hours I have tried to use the new layout and have become frustrated.  It now takes several page changes and twice the time to achieve the same result of obtaining data.  Also the ease of the search function has been degraded.  It's not just getting used to the new format, it is that the new format has less information in greater space with less logic.  Changing the font size is not the solution.  There are a few changes that could have been positive, if implimented properly, but this is not it.

I agree, I feel like my favorite genealogy site died today crying


LOL, As case in point to scrolling confusion, I meant to comment on Mr den Uyl’s comment / post and it scrolled me back to the top, so I had to fish for the comment box by scrolling way back down and in the meantime completely forgot what Mr den Uyl’s comment was about, though then found it oddly right above the comment box.  I don’t know. . . I’m lost here.  I agree with Ms Stults: I feel like my favorite genealogical site died, or will now be dead to me.  Genealogy is complex enough; technologically complicate it exponentially?  Who has time for this?

Thanks for the input, Albertus. The change wasn't just for change's sake, there were many reasons for it, including changes on the front end so there could be more improvements in the future.

+71 votes
For right now I see too much white space.  For now the font size on everything is too large, I need to find where to edit, like what I want to be bold and what I want to be plain text.  I presume decreasing the font size will remove much of the white space as well.
Then to learn how to re-arrange the display/sections or format if any of those features are built in to the new layout.  Some sections I want shown but others I may just want a small link to click.

Change sometimes just takes time to get used to and maybe it's just time I need.
ago by Mike Schindler G2G6 Mach 2 (24.8k points)

Thanks for the response, Mike, and for being willing to take some time to try it out and see how it goes.

Agreed, 100%. The font size, the spacing, the navigation, and almost everything related to appearance is not ideal. The G2G appearance may be the worst all with endless scrolling over seemingly useless whitespace. Paragraphs should be spaced closer together. I think this rollout could have been beta tested more effectively.

+93 votes
Man, New is terrible! Don't remember seeing anything quite that bad like it in any preview .

Way to much wasted space.

Way too much white on the screen.

Menus are hard to read - Again, too much white, poor contrasting text color.

Any links - poor text color, poor background color.

Male, Female Bkgd colors in family tree are terrible.  Text is not much better. What's with all the pale, light, color tones?
ago by Robert True G2G6 Mach 1 (11.0k points)

Robert, can you show some screenshots, that would help. Also, what device are you using?

Asus Laptop, Win10, Firefox (64Bit). Tried to post a screenshot of Today's WT email on another question, but it won't stick, so No, apparently I can't post screen shots.

Problems with colors, text sizes and colors, too much white space,  are being reported on virtually every complaint, so don't think I can add anything with a screen shot.

Hi, Robert

Thanks for the feedback, we're noting the suggestions and bugs and looking into them.

Can you upload a screenshot to a space page and provide the link? If you don't have a space page for images set up, feel free to upload any screenshots here: 
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:SIFW


+18 votes
Not even sure what the /UserID button is, but it completely overpowers the important information next to it...

Maybe move it next to the Privacy Level lock, or if it has to be next to the person's name, move it a few characters further from the end of the name and make it a bit smaller or less intrusive...

Otherwise, seems pretty OK, so far... :)

PS. The fan chart doesn't work anymore, but I guess that's an extension somebody's working on...
ago by M Roberts G2G3 (3.2k points)

You need to upgrade to WBE 2. That /USERID is generated by the old WBE

Done. Problem solved. Thank you.

Sounds like you need to update to WBE 2.0

+27 votes
Auto Bio-not working, Yep going to wait on my clean-ups. Not user friendly yet.
ago by Teresa Theodore G2G2 (2.3k points)

Have you updated to WBE 2.0 ?

Yes, I was having the same issue, but it does seem to have been a WBE update issue.

Yes, when I click sibling list in the drop down menu, I see "Copied sibling list" but nothing appears, similar to the others. Autobio just makes a copy of the current bio instead of an updated version.

Teresa, were you able to update your extension?

+29 votes

In my opinion the font is too large. Of course being Taurus I hate it out of principle laugh

The USER ID I think is way too large and unless I missed it the LINK i.e. the full web address is now missing. I use that a lot because with the auto return to profile after a save the URL becomes, for example: https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Rowlands-1328&errcode=saved

Oops: My bad, or my bad eyesight, I see the link, cite. url thingys now.

ago by David Loring G2G6 Pilot (169k points)
edited ago by David Loring

Turn off WBE or update to the 2.0 branch. There are quite a few issues with old WBE versions and the new site.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1862406/wikitree-browser-extension-2-0

Steven Harris: I've been in & out of my Windows 365 extensions & even figured out where the admin button was to check updates. No update button for WTBE. These presentation issues MUST BE fixed by you & the other team members within the coding for presentation on the PC. I do not give a ---- about making it work for the phone.

Now I was able to change the visual pretension of the fonts using extension functions to lower it to a level I can tolerate. But what does that do next? It creates even MORE white space so that on a 24inch monitor, the white space is 55% of the what I "see."

I am FOR a full aesthetic. Not crammed. ALL links, etc. need to be at hand to the creating profiler within one (1) screen view. NO scrolling needed for any of the crucial tools.

Please treat this roll out as a BetaZed version. Put it somewhere where we can see further tweaks. In the meantime, BRING WT 1.0  BACK.

@Robert, the WTBE extension is not provided by the site or the Team - it’s a contribution from the Apps Project. If you’re having trouble updating it, you’ll need to reach out to them directly. https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1862406/wikitree-browser-extension-2-0

Control-scroll to scale the font to your taste

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