Parents of Patrick b:1767 & Sarah b:1769 Staunton (Galway Ireland)

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Hi All,

I have searched so many documents without a win.

[RTF]Staunton.rtf - GEOCITIES.ws had made it fairly easy start.

I am hoping to connect Patrick Staunton to the Staunton's of England. But with no parents or birth info i am quite lost. Even gravestones seem to lead to just a surname without initials or dates.

"The family were well-off, lived in a large house and sold birds on the London market. There were 80 carriages at the wedding. The Staunton family had a very eminent history including Hervey de Stanton (or Staunton) (1260 – November 1327) Chancellor of the Exchequer in England - back to Sir Malgar de Staunton, the founder of the family, who fought William the Conqueror. George Staunton, was the first Staunton to go to Ireland in 1634, of Smewens Grange, Buckinghamshire. "

http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/staunton/77/
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.larkin/488.3/mb.ashx

however i have also read the Adam de Staunton played a major part back in the 1200's but not sure if its the same line thou.

http://deburgoandstauntonfamilyhistory.blogspot.com.au/2007/07/staunton-family-crest-en-dieu-est-ma.html

But i cannot find any details about the wedding either. I would have though it would have been an easy start if it was so big.

From English side, http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/books/staunton1911/staunton1.htm does not explain the Ireland connection cleanly as the family tree is very narrow.

I am trying to get this done for my father 80th birthday in a month and a bit away, so any help or direction would be well appreciated.

Shannon

WikiTree profile: Patrick Staunton
in Genealogy Help by Shannon Staunton G2G Crew (350 points)
recategorized by Shannon Staunton

Hi Shannon

I know it might be hard work, but, have you looked at this item in the National Library of Ireland?

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/refsource-show.jsp?id=1

Estate Staunton/Lynch Staunton

  • Reference #6951: Pedigree of Staunton of Oldbury and Cargine, Co Galway, Grenada & Buckinghamshire, c 1634-c 1792. GO MS 112: 60-61

 and

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=987

Good luck

Thank you Dale, I have excluded the Staunton Lynch side.

Mainly from reading that the Staunton Lynch was not of marriage but transfer of name by the death of Sir George Thomas Staunton 1859 passed to the sons of Mark Lynch.

http://www.leighpark.stauntoninfo.co.uk/26657.html

Thank you thou for your help!

Open to more thoughts :)

No problems at all, Shannon.  I'll keep looking for you.  Do you have all of Patrick's convict papers etc from NSW?
I have lots of them, but not sure if all but deff enough.

Was trying to use them to see if i could find something about parents but again no such luck :(

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Hi Shannon

OK, I have been wading through the old Irish newspapers for any mention of your Patrick Staunton.  I found a number of references to the actions of the Ribbonmen and the trial, but, sadly, there was no direct reference to Patrick.  A couple of articles refer to a Mr Staunton but not specifically in the case against the Ribbonmen.

Do you have copies of the newspaper articles etc re the trials and the lead up?

I did note that a Patrick Staunton Esq. of Galway was attempting to sell/lease a property in 1809/1810 through newspaper advertisements.

Do you feel that this might be your fellow?  If so, do you have copies of the newspaper advertisements?

Lastly, I was hoping to find reference to the marriage.  I got excited by this one, as I noted in the NSW convict records that Patrick is also known as Captain Staunton.  Is that a clue that you have followed through?  I was thinking this was your man until I realized that it was not the spouse you show in Patrick's profile:

Freeman's Journal, Tues 19th May, 1818 on page 2.

A County Galway Correspondent informs us, that Captain Staunton of the Bombay, Establishment, of whom such honourable notice was taken in "the late accounts from India, is the son of the late John Staunton, Esq. of Woodpark, in that County, and is married to the highly accomplished Miss Neeld of Norfolk street. London.

This is a real shame as I also found the death notices for John and Mrs Staunton of Woodpark, Co, Galway.

more to follow, ran out of allowed space.  Lol

by Dale Gatherum-Goss G2G6 Mach 2 (21.2k points)
Hi Shannon

I would read that as County Longford which, I believe but may be incorrect, is next to or quite near County Galway.

Okay same info a little more detailed.... however not sure where to from here (read as hands in the air) Long post but could be of use for others along the same path. (Thanks to Kay)

The Staunton family has a long history in England before George Staunton went to Ireland in 1634 to settle land given to him by Charles I.

See http://leighpark.stauntoninfo.co.uk/26657.html

However, the name is French and probably dates back to William the Conqueror's time. There are more details on that website.

See also Sir Knight Malgerus I of Staunton (1070-1082(, who was said to defend Belvoir Castle in the village of Staunton in 1084 against William the Conqueror. You can research him on http://search.ancestory.myfamily.com and http://nottshistory.org.uk/Brown1896/staunton.htm

 

An early Staunton of renown was Hervey de Staunton (1260-1327) who was Chief Justice of the King's Bench and Chancellor of the Exchequer. He founded Trinity College, Cambridge, originally Michael House. Unfortunately, I do not have the website, but you can do a search.

 

This history was compiled for our family by David Austin Larkin (1983) on the encouragement of Sydney George Larkin (1909-88).

 

Re Ribbon Men: my ancestor Peter Larkin b.1789- d.1879, probably in Gort, Ireland, died in Australia, was a Ribbon Man. He was well-off and well educated. After the Treaty of Limerick and defeat of the Catholic Confederation in 1691 a Penal Code was introduced, Catholics were barred from education or risk losing their land. By an Act of Parliament 1745 teachers were required to have a licence and the Protestant Bishop to swear an Oath of Allegiance. Those who did not were forced underground. Under these conditions the Hedge Schools remained the only Catholic education throughout the 18th and early 19th century. Violent protest was undertaken by Whiteboys or Ribbonmen, and were active particularly between 1815 and 1835.

 

The branch of Ribbonmen that they belonged to was called Hearts of Steel.

 

My ancestor, Peter Larkin married Bridget Cunningham. Sir Thomas Burke, of Marble Hill, invited disaffected Ribbonmen to his estate - Slieve Aughtey area and the Cunninghams were dairying at Derrybrien. You might be familiar with these areas.

 

Perhaps Peter Larkin was influenced to become a Ribbonman by his wife, Bridget. At any rate we know she was a feisty woman because after his arrest she walked to Dublin to plead with the Viceroy, whom she knew personally, for his life. Their eldest daughter, Catherine (1818-1865), married Patrick Staunton's son Patrick (1811-1870, which is where the Stauntons come into our family. My father's mother was a Staunton descended from this union.

 

Bridget also sold up everything and sailed to Australia to be with Peter. Peter requested her passage and she arrived with 4 children. There she established the farm 'Galway Farm' at Dapto, near Wollongong south of Sydney. Various children and relatives came out to the farm in the years to follow.

 

(Captain) Patrick Staunton (1774, Galway Ireland - 1851, Moruya NSW) was from Ballinasloe to the north-east near the border of Kings county," but distance was no obstacle to them as they went to any lengths for their cause". Before his arrest Staunton crossed into Tipperary at Lough Derg and back up past Lorrha and into Kings county before crossing the Shannon near Ballinasloe before being arrested. This appears to have been a common route for escapes

 

In June 1820, a concerted effort was made to capture the Ribbon Captains, Goode, Staunton, Concannon, Connoly and White leaders of their band of insurgents. On June 25th 1820 Captain Patrick Staunton was apprehended by the police, Mr Waters being the Chief Constable. Patrick was found hiding under the slats in the roo of a respectable farmhouse on the 9th October1820, Patrick who was not indicted on the capital charge but was the constant companion of Captain Michael Goode of Confert, along with Peter Larking, who had been sentenced to death, were removed from Galway Goal. After arrival in Australia, Patrick spent some time working on the road gangs from Parramatta to Windsor, while Larkin was exempted from hard labour and spent his first 6 months awaiting assignment.

 

 They were convicted in 1820 and transported from Cork on the 'John Barry' in 1821. We have a copy of Peter Larkin's Ticket of Leave, his release from imprisonment in 1832, although he was released in 1827. 

 

They were imprisoned in Galway Goal. "All alike were garbed in coarse frieze clothing, heavy hobnailed shoes and a round felt cap; all sleeping on a bare plank bed at night, and are intellectually starved, being kept without books or other mental occupation.

 

In another section: Patrick Staunton Sr came from a very substantial family, his wedding being one of the largest seen in east Galway with 80 carriages at his wedding (my grandmother ne Staunton, also told me this). His ancestors were English Norman gentry in Ireland since 1232, with later emigration of English settled at Claddagh in 1634. The later Stauntons were mainly Protestant Ascendancy but during penal times they became Catholic or were patriotic to their cause. The family were not without influence in Ireland, but this did not prevent Patrick from being deported to Australia.

 

Apparently, Patrick had a friend Father John Rigney who also taught in the hedge schools, and later came to Australia, marrying Patrick's son Patrick to Catherine Larkin and baptizing his children (11 in all)

 

Good morning Shannon

Wow.  That is quite a lot to digest and very, very interesting.  Well done on finding it.

You ask..."what to do from here?"

I would suggest....prove, or disprove, what is being claimed through the use of source records such as newspaper articles at the time,  church records, prison records, assize records etc etc etc.  If you cannot, then you need to ask if what is above is just an assumption, family folklore, or could still be fact just not yet proven.

Sadly though, there are a lack of available records for Irish research and so you may never know more than what you have already.

I wish I could offer more help, even more hope, Shannon.  But, to be honest, I am not sure what else to suggest.  Good luck!!
All up thank you Dale, you have been a great help!

Your right, stick my heels in and push on :)

If you trip over anything let me know!

Shannon

hey Shannon

Thank you, that is very kind of you to say so.

I have thought a lot about your predicament here and the various "histories" that you have and thought I should mention a few things further.....

I would strongly encourage you to:

Read up on the issues why the Ribbonmen were fighting for their cause.  What was the cause and why was it there?

Attempt to get a feel on how strongly the issue of Religion really was (and still is) in Ireland. 

Prove or disprove each step based on provable facts and in relation to the issue of religion.  For example....quoted from your comments above:

"The later Stauntons were mainly Protestant Ascendancy but during penal times they became Catholic or were patriotic to their cause. "

Is this something that you would still accept as a reasonable conclusion after reading more on how strongly the Irish felt about religion and the way that religion was used in Ireland?  Is this "conversion" a reasonable assumption given that Larkin and Staunton joined the Ribbonmen to fight against the Protestants?  Was Staunton a "hedgerow teacher" in keeping with this comment as well.

Look at each conclusion based on the facts that you know.  For example, you know as a fact that Patrick Staunton was a gamekeeper.  It says so on his convict records.  So, is it likely, or plausible, that a gamekeeper would have such a big wedding with such notaries in attendance?

And, if he was an influential man, wouldn't the papers and the courts have noted that influence in his trial?

Is it just as possible that the surname Staunton was "adopted" by the locals who worked on the estates owned by the English?

 

Sorry Shannon.  Irish ancestry is a nightmare for all of us because so many records were lost, but, I would still caution you from blindly accepting someone else's version of your ancestry without proving it yourself and questioning everything.  Why do think that?  Can they prove their assumptions or claims?  Do the claims make good common sense when taken in light of the cold hard facts of the times and situations?

Good luck!!!!

Hey Dale,

If Larkin and Staunton\Stanton were tried in the Galway Assizes, where do you go to find transcripts of the trial?

Thanks again Shannon
Hi Shannon

I suspect that the trial records were lost in the great fire of 1922.  Failing that, I would try the national Archives or the Galway Library.

Sorry mate, I wish i could help more, but.....
Bugger....

Or i need to find someone who did Staunton family tree research prior to 1922...hmmm thats a narrow gap :)
Hello, Very interesting reading. Peter Larkin was noted on my GG grandfathers convict records as being a cousin transported in 1821 . Brothers Michael born 1806 and Patrick Thomas Born 1811 MORAN were transported in 1832 on the Eliza for the crime of Whiteboyism. noted on papers as from Gort Galway. I have tried to find out more about the boys in Ireland and their father William Moran. very few records exist. if you have any record of how they are related to the Morans it may help us connect the dots. as said a lot of records were destroyed. kind Regards Genevieve Kindt Nee Moran
I know the Moran's and the Stauntons have had history

Have a TRY AT https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Moran-2494

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