Michael Fitzgerald born between 1830 - 1845 Ireland migrated to Liverpool

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Michael is identified as a stone mason but possibly was a laborer his family MAY BE Helen Winn (wynne?) with children Thomas b 1858 and daughter bridget.

Thomas Fitzgerald (iron moulder) married Mary Mccrink in liverpool 1880 - they had 13 children one of whom was my grandad John Fitzgerald b1905.

The family legend is 4 or 5 brothers came across from Ireland but I can find no evidence. I'm trying to find where Michael came from any ideas warmly received.
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Thomas Fitzgerald

 in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

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    Name: Thomas Fitzgerald
    Gender: Male
    Birth Date: 21 May 1857
    Baptism Date: 31 May 1857
    Baptism Place: St. Mary's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Father: Michaelis Fitzgerald
    Mother: Helena Winn
    FHL Film Number: 396380
    Reference ID: yrs 1853-1859 p 178

    Thomas Fitzgerald

     in the 1861 England Census

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    Name: Thomas Fitzgerald
    Age: 3
    Estimated birth year: 1858
    Relation: Son
    Father's name: Micheal Fitzgerald
    Mother's name: Ellen Fitzgerald
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Civil Parish: Liverpool
    Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
    County/Island: Lancashire
    Country: England

    Street address:

    Occupation:

    Condition as to marriage:

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    Registration district: Liverpool
    Sub-registration district: St Martin
    ED, institution, or vessel: 40
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Household schedule number: 40
    Piece: 2654
    Folio: 232
    Page Number: 11
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Catherine Morris 40
    John Morris 16
    Bridget Morris 12
    Micheal Fitzgerald 32
    Ellen Fitzgerald 30
    Thomas Fitzgerald 3
    Bridget Fitzgerald 1
    Owen Ward 19
    Sarah Colligan 64
    James Collins 45
    Winefried Collins 40
    Thomas Collins 13

    Thomas Fitzgerald

     in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

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      Name: Thomas Fitzgerald
      Birth Date: 21 May 1857
      Baptism Date: 31 May 1857
      Parish: St Anthony's, Lancashire, England
      Father's name: Michaels Fitzgerald
      Mother's name: Helena Winn

      Thomas Fitzgerald

       in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

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        Name: Thomas Fitzgerald
        Birth Date: abt 1858
        Date of Registration: Dec 1932
        Age at Death: 74
        Registration district: West Derby
        Inferred County: Lancashire
        Volume: 8b
        Page: 585

        Michl Fitzgerald

         in the Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837

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          Name: Michl Fitzgerald
          County: Cork
          Parish: Kilpatrick
          Townland: Fountainstown
          Year: 1855

          Michael Fitzgerald

           in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

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            Name: Michael Fitzgerald
            Gender: Male
            Marital Status: Single
            Marriage Date: 14 Sep 1856
            Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancaster, England
            Father: Thomas Fitzgerald
            Spouse: Ellen Winn
            FHL Film Number: 1656679
            Reference ID: it 3, p 8, no 16

            Michl . Fitzgerald

             in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911

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              Name: Michl . Fitzgerald
              Gender: Male
              Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1835
              Baptism Place: Roman Catholic, Currow, Kerry, Ireland
              Father's name: Thos. Fitzgerald
              Mother's name: Moweta Mavade
              FHL Film Number: 823803

              Michl . Fitzgerald

               in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911

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                Name: Michl . Fitzgerald
                Gender: Male
                Baptism Date: 10 May 1841
                Baptism Place: Roman Catholic, Currow, Kerry, Ireland
                Father's name: Thos. Fitzgerald
                Mother's name: Cath. Morriss
                FHL Film Number: 823803

                Mick Fitzgerald

                 in the Ireland, Select Catholic Birth and Baptism Registers, 1763-1912

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                  Name: Mick Fitzgerald
                  Baptism Date: 24 May 1835
                  Baptism Place: Allen, Kildare, Ireland
                  Father: Thos Fitzgerald
                  Mother: Ann Kavana

                  Michl Fitzgerald

                   in the Ireland, Select Catholic Birth and Baptism Registers, 1763-1912

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                    Name: Michl Fitzgerald
                    Baptism Date: 1 Mar 1840
                    Baptism Place: Rathvilly, Carlow, Ireland
                    Father: Thos Fitzgerald
                    Mother: Ally Coogan
                    Thanks to all, the great answers are very welcome but most fall into the marriage, birth and census details I have in my own files.

                    I conclude Michael Fitzgerald and his wife Ellen Winn (Wynne) were born about 1829 (Ireland) and 1830 (not sure where) respectively. The 1861 census shows them with son Thomas Fitzgerald and daughter Bridget but Michael appears to have died before 1871. The census of 1871 shows Ellen as a widow with her son Thomas and daughter Bridget Fitzgerald as members of Bolton Union Workhouse. Ellen's father is Bartholomew Winn (Wynne), an unusual name, that I found  resident in Bolton, perhaps she went back to her roots after the demise of her husband.

                    When Thomas Fitzgerald reaches adulthood he is back in Liverpool as an Iron Molder married to Mary Mccrink. Oddly not one of his 7 sons is named  after his father Michael and none of his 6 daughters named after his mother Bridget.

                    Here are the sons names and approx year of birth:

                    William, 1885 joined australian forces at Keswick discharged

                    Thomas, 1885 joined Otago regt NZL died in action circa 1916

                    Herbert, 1890 joined Kings Liverpool Regt died in action circa 1916

                    Austin (augustine), 1895 joined Canadian army circa 1916 survived

                    Joseph, 1897

                    George, 1899

                    John, 1904 (my grandad)

                    I can make a case for a few "Michaels" as suggested in the replies but can't make a definitive link the 3 or 4 bros thing would be a clincher if i could find such a family.

                    I've tried searching Irish records combining Michael's birth year with a presumption his father might be called Thomas  but nothing jumps out.

                    Love to find out what part of Ireland Michael come from.

                    Thanks again.
                    This is very promising in the 1861 census cited Michael is boarding with his family in Liverpool the same address contains 3 Collins one of which is a Catherine. The ages don't quite stack up but people of those days seemed to alter their age at will.

                    Many thanks

                    4 Answers

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                    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXX-X563

                    Can you share the first names of your grandfather's siblings and some of their birth years?  There were two named John Fitzgerald born in Liverpool in 1905, one was John Joseph Fitzgerald. Is that your grandfather?
                    by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.1m points)
                    edited by Frank Gill
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                    This baptismal record verifies his wife's name:

                    Name: Thomas Fitzgerald
                    Birth Date: 21 May 1857
                    Baptism Date: 31 May 1857
                    Parish: St Anthony's, Lancashire, England
                    Father's name: Michaels Fitzgerald
                    Mother's name: Helena Winn

                     

                    Source Citation

                    Liverpool Record Office; Liverpool, England; Liber Baptizatorum; Reference Number: 282 ANT/1/6

                    by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.4m points)
                    +1 vote

                    The 1861 census gives his age:

                    Name: Micheal Fitzgerald
                    Age: 32
                    Estimated birth year: 1829
                    Relation: Lodger
                    Spouse's Name: Ellen Fitzgerald
                    Gender: Male
                    Where born: Ireland
                    Civil Parish: Liverpool
                    Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
                    County/Island: Lancashire
                    Country: England

                    Street address:

                    Occupation:

                    Condition as to marriage:

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                    Registration district: Liverpool
                    Sub-registration district: St Martin
                    ED, institution, or vessel: 40
                    Neighbors: View others on page
                    Household schedule number: 40
                    Piece: 2654
                    Folio: 232
                    Page Number: 11
                    Household Members:
                    Name Age
                    Catherine Morris 40
                    John Morris 16
                    Bridget Morris 12
                    Micheal Fitzgerald 32
                    Ellen Fitzgerald 30
                    Thomas Fitzgerald 3
                    Bridget Fitzgerald 1
                    Owen Ward 19
                    Sarah Colligan 64
                    James Collins 45
                    Winefried Collins 40
                    Thomas Collins 13

                     

                    Source Citation

                    Class: RG 9; Piece: 2654; Folio: 232; Page: 11; GSU roll: 543007

                    by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.4m points)
                    +1 vote

                    Marriage record:

                    Name: Michael Fitzgerald
                    Gender: Male
                    Marital Status: Single
                    Marriage Date: 14 Sep 1856
                    Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancaster, England
                    Father: Thomas Fitzgerald
                    Spouse: Ellen Winn
                    FHL Film Number: 1656679
                    Reference ID: it 3, p 8, no 16

                     

                    Original data: England, Marriages, 1538–1973. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.

                    by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.4m points)

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