How would you feel about changing the parents of Dugal McQueen?

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First, I wish to thank WikiTree member Michelle McQueen for posting the link from Dr. David Boles site, and bringing this to my attention.  I was wondering if anyone would object to changing the parents of Dugal McQueen?  I see that further research has been done by Dr. David B. Boles which shows that Dugal McQueen's parents were John MacQueen and Anne Mackintosh. I have purchased his e-book, Boles-Barth Omnibus Ancestry Circa 1350 - Present, to examine his research in more detail on the Dugal McQueen line.  Dugal McQueen also appears to be a gateway ancestor through his maternal line, Anne Mackintosh.  I see far more evidence presented from Dr. David B. Boles than the Gedcom and Ancestry imported data for the current parents of Duncan McQueen and Christian Norman McQueen, and their parents.   Also, online trees such as Geni are now using John MacQueen and Anne Mackintosh. Not that  Geni's tree alone is enough evidence but backed up with the research of Dr. Boles, I feel it offers far more compelling evidence.

I don't wish to mess up anyone's trees, and I will  notify the managers of this profile of  my intentions. I would also put notes as to the changes I made. If anyone has any feelings on this please let me know.

James Stratman
WikiTree profile: Dugal McQueen
in The Tree House by James Stratman G2G6 Mach 8 (82.5k points)
edited by James Stratman
It seems to me from what I see on GENI that Dugal's parents were Duncan MacQueen (1653-1711) and Christian Norman MacQueen . That tree goes back very far.I am trying to search for the mother of  Elizabeth McQueen (1721-  ) who was married to David Stuart (1733-1787) born in Scotland. There is also another David Stuart or Stewart who was born in England (same dates). Dugal MaQueen was supposed to be Elizabeth's father, but he had three wives - Grace Mclean, Glenda Sue Taylor, and Elizabeth MacIntosh. None of these list a daughter named Elizabeth but some of Dugal's records do.

Elizabeth on Hawkinson website.
The problem I have is that GENI doesn't list any sources, and I have found certain names and information on GENI to not be very accurate.  Some of it is very good however.  That is why I relied on genealogist Dr. David Boles' research. He backed up his findings with sources, and made his research public.  GENI does have John MacQueen and Anne Mackintosh listed as the parents of Dugal McQueen also.

From Dr. Boles' research I haven't seen any evidence of Dugal having a daughter named Elizabeth in Scotland.  He did have a daughter in Scotland named Anne or Anna. When he remarried in the States he did have at least one daughter by his wife Grace.
Just found out I'm a direct descendant of dugal mcqueen, would love to learn more

Welcome cousin, and you have the McQueen family name too.  The Dugal McQueen profile here on WikiTree will give you some background on  him.  Also, this  might interest you also:  https://bolesbooksblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/23/4-dugal-mcqueen-scottish-rebel-and-gateway-ancestor-to-royalty/

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James, I'm sure you have done this already, but I would be checking the sources used by Mr Boles, very carefully, and making sure that they actually do support the claims he is making.

The excerpt that is freely available doesn't suggest that he is using terribly good sources, but I could be wrong.  I always distrust statements such as 'it is clear that A is descended from B' or 'there is no doubt that A is related to B', because I often think that in when looked at closely, it isn't clear or there is still plenty of doubt.  Perhaps I'm just getting too cynical in my old age. ;)

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (439k points)
Thank you for your comment John.  I too am quite cynical. That is actually a very good trait to have when doing genealogy. I have been cautious when examining the work of David Boles.  I would be skeptical if he had put together just one book on his own family history, and was vague with his sources.  Ideally, one wants to have official, legal documents, but going back to to the 17th and 18th centuries it isn't always possible. I have found him to be cautious when making assumptions in some of the other families  he has researched.  His link I posted to Dugal McQueen's profile does not list sources or go into details. He saves that for his Boles and Barth Ancestry Omnibus book, which I have in my possession. His body of work extends way beyond Dugal McQueen and his own personal family. He has also published books on many other families  including hundreds of names from immigrants, colonists, and pioneers, and has been publishing since 1986.

Compared to what is already listed as sources for Dugal McQueen's parents on WikiTree, which is sparse at best, and  mostly Gedcom  imports from Ancestry, I found this to be more informative.
I too am quite cynical.  This is now a family discussion at our house. Would like to see the sources or see the links to the sources. Not trying to discredit anyone just being cautious.

Hi Kenneth,   I certainly understand and believe we should all approach this cautiously. However, compared to what is currently on the WikiTree profiles for the parents and grandparents of Dugal McQueen, I'm even more skeptical of that.  There is practically no sources at all.  I will post you the excerpts and the sources from D B. Boles' book and let everyone decide.  If a consensus isn't agreed upon I will leave it alone, and  just change my own private offline tree. It is important that everyone is in agreement. I have emailed Dr. Boles with a few questions, and I'm awaiting his reply. Cheers.

James

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