Joergensen/Jorgensen

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Alrighty all my Danish relatives or avid Danish genealogists. I need some major help. I have this person in my family and cannot find them! Oh no, this is bad. So the profile is open and available for edits. Just need all the help we can get. We know the surname may not be spelled correctly to the ancestors but this is how it was spelled when my grandmother was born and died. Thank you all for the help.
WikiTree profile: Jorgen Joergensen
in Genealogy Help by Dodie Bartlett G2G6 Mach 2 (25.5k points)
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You may want to take a look at this Pedigree Resource File. It has not been checked for accuracy, but may be of interest.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:393F-16Q
Jorgen Joegensen (or Jørgen Jørgensen as I would write it) is not an uncommon name in Denmark, so there is little chance to find him from the info on his profile.

I might be able to find something via his son. At least we have a city there.
That would be awesome if we could. Honestly, we've been kinda hittin our heads against a wall. The one record we found for Claus said his mother's name was Karen but we were always told it was Marion (sic). But the information on the record matched the information we had for Claus. It's been very confusing. Also been confusing on the actual spelling of the surname. We were always told it was spelled as Joergensen and we haven't found anything past Claus that spells it that way.
I have added a church book entry for Claus Peder Jørgensen.
But when I did a bit more of searching, it seems something is not right. I found a page, queting that this Claus Jørgensen died 20. August 1869. But on the profile his death date is 1949.
http://www.virgo-fyn.dk/index.php/kirkeboger/kirkeboger-odense-amt/baag-herred/38-assens-1863-1875-dode.
I'll try and find some more later.
yes, Claus went to America and died in 1949 in Olpe, Kansas. Documentation we found has somewhat conflicting stories. The obituary printed for him states that he was born June 28, 1869 in Swinhold City, Friderica County, Denmark. However, the birth record we found states that he was born in Assens, Odense, Denmark on January 31, 1869. The obituary names his mother as Marian Pederson and John Joergensen (which we know is Jorgen for the first name) but on the birth record it states Jorgen Jorgensen and Karen Pedersen.

It states that he came to America, arriving October 18, 1891 in Boston, Massachusetts. Move to Buffalo, NY and then to Saginaw, MI. Then settled in Emporia, KS then Olpe, KS.

When my mother and I looked for Swinhold, We couldn't find it. But we're not that familiar with that area at all. Most of our genealogy is found towards Great Britain. So anywhere outside of that, we're kind of clueless. Not sure if this information helps though.

Tricky one...

Are you sure John is Jorgen?

And 2 different birth dates adds to the confusion.

I'm almost sure that "Friderica " should be Fredericia, it's a wellknow city in Denmark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredericia

 

"Swinhold" does not look correct to me. It could maybe be Svinholt in Danish, but I'm not sure.

We looked for a John and Marian Joergensen but nothing was found. On some of the personal trees concerning the Williams and Justus lines, it lists Jorgen as the name. (Fred Claus Joergensen married a Williams from the two surnames listed. So they did research slightly on Joergensen.)

We figured a couple of days difference didn't matter cause that can happen in any record including a Census when they do estimations. But the parents are totally boggling us and with two different places listed for his birth is what I think has us stumped most of all. We know Claus came to America but his parents did not. So we know they were still or had died in Denmark at the time he came.
There is a village named Svinholt in the parish of Skærup:

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sk%C3%A6rup_Sogn

But I have checked the birth records for his birthday and did not find him. I also checked the 1870 cenus with no luck. But they might have moved.

Or maybe the birthday could be wrong.

I think the Claus Jørgensen born in Assens is not the same Claus who migrated to USA.

I have created a new profile for him:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/J%C3%B8rgensen-1374

About the name of the mother "Marian", I think it is also US version of another Danish name. It could be Maren or maybe Marie. Both very common names at the times.

We have a John Joergensen (not sure if it was actually John or not for the spelling) born 1835 Denmark and died 1887 Denmark. He was listed as 52 Years of age at time of death. Then we have Marian Pederson who was born 1840 Denmark. Died 1905 Denmark at the age of 65 years old. Six children as follows: Catherine, Claus, Lorence, Margaret, Jurgen, and Nicholas. Only known information was on Claus Joergensen (sic?). May this information might help to locate Claus and his family in Denmark???
Without a location, it might be difficult just with the names and years.
What is the source of the information on his siblings' names?
It was included in my grandmother's personal paperwork. There was a historical society in Olpe, Kansas that gave her the information from what we understand. There was an article done on Jessie Joergensen Allen, who was his daughter. This information was printed with that. However, we do not have a copy of that to our knowledge. So I guess you can say the source is personal family knowledge. However, no information past what we have.
I was just thinking that this information could be used to verify if a Claus Jørgensen is the right person. There should be a census showing at least part of the family.

I do not think that Claus Jørgensen from Assens is the right person. (as also staded by others)

As already mentioned by other researchers, there is a place called Svinholdt in Vejle County. There is no county called Friderica and the most obvious would be Fredericia, but that is not a County. The town Fredericia is in Vejle County. The only county in Denmark that sound even remotely similar to Friderica is Frederiksborg County, but there is no Svinhold in Frederiksborg County (or at least, I can not find it)

I have tried to look for a Jørgen Jørgensen and Marion Pedersen (varioous spellings, I also think that this is not her real name, maybe Maren og Marianne or something similar) in the church records of Skærup parish where Svinholdt is located. I can not find any of them born or dead in the years you mention (+/- some years). I also looked for other children born to Jørgen and Marion, but could not find anything. So my conclusion is that Svinholdt in Skærup parish is a dead end.

Right now I do not have any more ideas for where to look. Did any of the other sons and daughters emmigrate? And do you have any records for them?

The key to solving this is to find out where Claus came from. Have you tried Immigration records in US (Ellis Island, etc.)?
As far as we know, no, they did not come to America with Claus. We have found Census records with Claus and we have a copy of his obituary that was published in the Olpe Heritage. As far as we know, Claus was the only one to come. He came in 1891 arriving in Boston, Massachusetts. I have yet to confirm this with any hard facts but that was what was stated as true by whomever wrote his obituary. It claims that Claus lived in Buffalo, NY; Saginaw, MI; then in 1894 went to Emporia, KS.  It says he was born in Swinhold City, Friderica County, Denmark (which we found out doesn't exist as written). Now someone had told me John was supposed to be Jorgen so that is why it was listed that way on Claus's profile for his father. His mother's name is written as Marian Pederson. Not sure if Joergensen is spelled correctly but this is how it was spelled when Claus came to America and how his descendants spelled it. It has him born on June 28, 1869.

Since the record I found did not match him (the one born in Assens), I removed it and changed the information on Claus back to what was stated in his obituary. The only records we have are the ones from his arrival in Emporia and on. This is why I asked for assistance. I have exhausted every which way to look for him and have reached very dead ends as one I am not familiar with Denmark, the spellings, or anything; and two because I'm not sure what was printed in the papers are accurate because we have found no evidence to prove they are.

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by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.2m points)
Thank you Frank we have this information on Claus. We are looking for his family that stayed in Denmark.
Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Anna Lovise Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Augusta Henriette Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Bodil Christine Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Pedersen
child:    Johanne Kirstine Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Frederikke Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Andres Knud Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Christian Klareskov Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Jens Rasmus Frederik Jorgensen        

Jorgen Christian Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Kirstine Petrine Caroline Pedersen
child:    Rasmus Klareshov Jorgensen        

Jorgen Anders Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Marie Pedersen
child:    Thora Maria Andrea Jorgensen        

Jorgen Anders Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Marie Pedersen
child:    Oline Emilie Petrea Jorgensen        

Jorgen Anders Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Marie Pedersen
child:    Laura Nielsine Frederikke Karoline Jorgensen        

Jorgen Anders Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Marie Pedersen
child:    Betty Helene Kirstine Jorgensen        

Jorgen Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Petersen
child:    Rasmus Christian Jorgensen        

Jorgen Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Pedersdr
child:    Jorgensen        

Jorgen Jorgensen
Father
Denmark Baptisms, 1618-1923
spouse:    Karen Marie Pedersdr
child:    Jorgen Jorgensen
Birth location and death location are shown as Denmark. Do you have anything to narrow down where in Denmark, such as county and or city?
We have no information on Jorgen Joergensen except for his son Claus Peter Joergensen. Claus was born in Assens, Odense, Denmark. So we are assuming that Jorgen was from that area as well but you know how people move around or originiate somewhere then move.

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