One Name Studies by state?

Question

Hi! I was just checking on Category:Louisiana and realized that it has one subcategory that's a one name study. I know we have more than that, but scattering them through the list at Category:Louisiana isn't good. Shouldn't they be categorized by state too? Category:Louisiana One Name Studies ? As far as I can tell, it was discussed, but not implemented (see http://www.wikitree.com/g2g/201856/using-categorization-in-one-name-studies ).

Any objection to my creating Category:Louisiana One Name Studies ?

Update: March 25, 2106; outcome of this G2G discussion was the creation Jan. 8, 2016, of Space:Name Studies in Louisiana (see link below). Since then, the One Name Studies project has created a marvelous ONS FAQ page, which has sparked a re-discussion of ONS categories: see this new G2G discussion.

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I don't really understand the value of One Name Studies by state.  If this covers anyone who has lived, born, died, etc in a state, this category will be huge and of very little value (in my opinion)

I also thought we were trying to trim down the number of categories in a profile.  And if people PPP these categories, nobody will ever be able to add or edit anything without lots of emails.

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Thanks for the comment Vicki! Lets me know that I didn't say what I meant.

I was suggesting by-State categories as a collection of other categories (one-name studies relevant to the State), not for the individual profiles. In other words, when someone looked through Category:Louisiana, they would see Category:Louisiana One Name Studies (or, in reflection, Category:Louisiana Name Studies would be better*), where they would find links to One Name Studies that included Louisiana families, rather than the Name Study categories being listed directly under Category:Louisiana.

Cheers, Liz

* The category that prompted my question doesn't see to actually be in the  one-name study project: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Louisiana_Willhite_Wilhite_Wilhoit_Wilhoite_Study

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Liz,

Thank you for the clarification.  That makes sense now.

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Keep in mind that the surname categories are set up for most states and quite a few outside of the USA.  This is where, ideally, the Wilhoite name study should be categorized to, following the approved format that I set up for my name study which breaks those profiles down by country, state, and even county.  With the surname categories already in place, a standard set and approved would not a Louisiana One Name Studies category be redundant?

 

See:  http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Louisiana_Surnames

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No problem with that here. You can then add families well known in the area. Thibodeaux in Louisiana Name Study, etc. I will probably add a Centanni in Louisiana Name Study, as the Centanni settled in many towns there, not just New Orleans. One branch was prominent in Kenner, Louisiana. The bigger the family the more specific we may want to categorize, or our index will be confusing. We don't want to start merging John Smith's when they are clearly from two different states!

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I don't see it as a redundant. Louisiana Surnames is one way to find folks. Louisiana Name Studies would be another. In looking at other examples, though, I see it should be Category:Name Studies in Louisiana instead... diff between a One Name Study on the surname & a category of one name studies relevant to Louisiana is Study or Studies. A bit too subtle! (although it makes it easy to search http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:One_Name_Studies for such categories). See Irish Name Studies & Name Studies in Ireland (which do seem redundant, and only Name Studies in Ireland connects with Irish Surnames, which in turn connects with Ireland Surnames - where I find a Rootsweb LOCKHARTS link & Ireland Lockharts - which had Categories:Lockhart Name Study at top! Small world, although an awful lot of clicking to get there - gave up finding a link to a Lockhart Name Study through the Louisiana links/profiles). 

 

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You know I am all for the more links the easier it is to find, so if this works, especially with the First Families project, I have no objections.  :)  Happy New Years all!

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cool! Thanks :D

Happy New Year to you too!

Answer 1

Sounds logic from my perspective. I think we can use categories much much more to add value to our Genealogy Research...

I Sweden we start a big project to document 2606 parishes in Wikitree...

Those categories feels like good candidates to also have categories for One name studies in the Swedish Parish....

My understanding is that Swedish people who left to America in early 1900 also lived together in the new land.... ==> could be interesting to track...

 

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There are a large group of Italians in Sweden in that category. I have been adding those profiles to One Name Studies for their names. Perhaps that will help connect them to their original Italian families.

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In Sweden we had after 2nd World War Italien people coming to us. Not to many but everyone in Sweden knows about Italien people working at Atlas Copco. Maybe it was the Swedish ladies who got something interesting to look at ;-)

One story http://www.stockholmslansmuseum.se/utstallningar/mer-om-renzo-prata/

Google Translated https://goo.gl/kveYuQ

Answer 2

We have done that with some places in Europe. We have Irish Name Studies and Italian Name Studies and Name Studies in Sicilia. It works well when you have a One Place Study and you only want to list the names of those from a particular family that is widely known in that place.

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I have now created Swedish Name Studies and connected that to Sweden. Is there a European Name Studies category which I can connect it to? That would also help me see if there is a German Name Studies that I can connect my German names to.

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Do we have a place to search for all of the projects on wikitree? I like the idea of LA name studies, as I would like to be able to find out what others have done on the names I'm studying..

Answer 3

It seems to me that there is a danger of a confusion of overlapping categories. What happens when a name crosses state lines, or county lines? Surely it is best to have a one name study that has no boundaries, and the boundary of a place name study that encompasses all names, and not a confusion of the two!

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But you can classify one thing with more categories ==> no problem

If you are focusing on a geographic location like a Swedish Parish ==> you will find the category for the one name study as a subcategory to this parish.

e.g. I have a Swedish family called Lindner that lived in Avesta ==> one name study subcategory to Avesta (W)

As this Swedish family came from todays Poland former Schlesien  you will also add the namestudy to categories

• Schlesien
• Opole Poland

This is the great benefit of the category mechanism that its so easy to connect one profile to many categories or one category with more subcategories....

 

 

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Thanks Pete! Again, I think I wasn't clear in my original posting. I meant what Mangus explained. Thanks Mangus!

Answer 4

In looking around at different categories to try to clarify my original post, I discovered http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:USA_Surnames that seems to be a system of categorization for any surname, not just those covered by a One Name Study.

Perhaps Louisiana Surnames category would be a better answer for the problem I was trying to address (collecting under one category One Name Study categories relevant to Louisiana). But looking at the categories there already, I still think individual One Name Study categories would be easier to identify if they were included under Category:Louisiana Surnames via Category:Louisiana Name Studies

Along the lines of what Sharon mentioned - http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Italian_Name_Studies for example, only by State.

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Thanks, Liz, I might have to sub categorize my Centanni family to Centanni in Sicilia and Centanni in Louisiana and Centanni in Indiana and Centanni in New Jersey as the list gets longer.  I already started that with my Burke family. I know I descend from the Burke Family of Ballyoughtra, Cork, but there are millions of Burkes. So I made a separate subcategory for Burkes  of Ballyoughtra Name Study. The more common the name, and the more interest there is in tracing all of them, the more subcategories we will need.

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I like your idea, Sharon! They do change as they go from area to area. You could always follow the name to another area.

Answer 5

I just edited my original post to include a link to http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Name_Studies_in_Louisiana

Took me a while to decide - I was undecided whether a category or a space page would be better to meet the need(s) I saw. I was doing a pro/con analysis, and in considering implementation, space page won (for a “Category:Name Studies in Louisiana” to work as I envisioned, I think I would have had to ask too many Name Studies to include the category when they really weren’t “known” for being from Louisiana). Space page won for flexibility too - the parent Name Study categories there include subcategories under them, and I've gone through the categories to find the oldest known Louisiana resident included under them. The deciding factor in weighing the pros & cons: because of naming conventions, categories/pages for a particular name would not be found together under a category - folks would still need to look under L (Louisiana) & under xx (the surname) & even under N (for Name).

If  the need for a category remains, it can always be added later. For now, the space page http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Name_Studies_in_Louisiana closes a gap that I saw between Name Studies and profiles of Louisiana Family members.

Let me know how it can better meet your needs!

Cheers,
Liz