Clashing dates between Godiva Mercia and alleged father, Robert I "the magnificent"

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According to what you are showing for the death date of Robert I "the magnificent" (1035), there is no way that Godiva Mercia can be his offspring (born 1076, according to your info.).  Can you help me sort this out?
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The profile you are linking to, is not supposed to be the same as the Lady Godiva, of the naked ride fame, whose life is basically as Frank as described (except only Alfgar is confirmed as her child by primary sources - the other 2 are ring-ins)

However there is still no connection between this Godiva and any Dukes of Normandie; she and her husband are both probably mythical.  Or perhaps Eadnoth is mentioned in the sources but his ancestry is mythical, because otherwise his daughter would have married her first cousin, and that's highly unlikely during that time period.
answered by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (316k points)
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Godgifu and her husband Leofric of Mercia are not mythical. They are historically attested. She lived in the 11th C, dying in 1067.She endowed religious establishments and her burial is recorded. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/dig-may-lay-bare-the-real-lady-godiva-1044727.html

The story of the ride has been misinterpreted by later generations. From what I understand, husband and wife were separated at the time of the occurrence and, when she wanted to help her people (she was deeply religious- he was not) he demanded she come as a penitent to him. In those days that meant in your shift, no outer clothing, no sign of rank. It was the equivalent of nakedness.

Godgifu (Latinised as Godiva) was a common enough name in Anglo Saxon society at the time and there are several women of this name recorded in historical records of the 10th and 11th century. We must be careful not to confuse them.
But as John pointed out, this thread is about a later Godiva, of the Norman era.  The name "de Mercia" is nonsense, but then, she seems to be an internet invention.

Incidentally her "father" Duke Robert seems to have collected several other spurious daughters.  I think only one is actually known.
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http://genealogical-gleanings.com/Lady%20Godiva.htm

Godiva, Countess of Mercia was born about 980 in Mercia, England. She was the daughter of Thorold, Sheriff of Lincoln and an Unknown mother of Anglo Saxon heritage. Godiva (Godgifu) married Anglo-Saxon Leofric II, Count of Mercia about 1000 in Mercia, England. Together, Godiva and Leofric would have three children: Alfgar III, Erminhild and Herwaldus. It is possible that Godiva's marriage to Leofric was her second marriage as the Chronicle of Ely Monastery refers to her as "the widow of an earl living in the time of Canute." It is also possible that Thorold was her brother rather than her father as a Thorold is listed on the Doomesday Book.

Godiva has become a legend in which she is seen riding through the town nude upon a horse. Many paintings portray this scene.
answered by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (1.8m points)
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It seems clear to me that Robert of Normandy had no daughter Godiva and should be delinked as her father.  Now, we already have a profile for the Godiva of the naked ride (Lincolnshire-6).  That leaves the question of Godiva who is no longer daughter of Robert.  (Normandie-150),  Is she anything?  I'm a strong advocate of leaving up files of mythical people when there is some kind of myth about them -- but is Godiva of Normandy a myth or simply a mistake?  If there's no reason to retain her profile, I would picture stripping it of detail and links and merging it into Lincolnshire-6.  .
answered by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (241k points)
edited by Jack Day

It's about the origin of the Berkeleys

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/FitzHarding-Family-Tree-56

Like many families they had ancient traditions, in more than one version.  Theirs stands up better than most, at least in parts.

But I doubt if there's any evidence for Robert fitz Harding's wife being his cousin.  And the Norman connection looks like fairly crude modern fakery.

Worth investigating and straightening out.

 

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