Need translation help - does the Latin say the 20th year of Edward I? [closed]

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does the following say in the 20th year of Edward I?

"Dat. apud Lanc. die mercurij prox. post festum sancti Marie Magdalene anno regni Regis Edwardi vicesimo"

I figured it said the date of the Lancaster grant was the Wednesday after the feast of St. Mary Magdalene in the reign of King Edward I", but couldn't figure which year. Google Translate gave an amazing translation for the quoted text (smarter than I thought it could be):

"Dat. In Lancaster. on Wednesday next. the three and twentieth year of the reign of King Edward, after the feast of St Mary Magdalene"

I don't see where it gets the "three" for the 23rd year (vicesimo alone is translated as 20th). And then I refreshed and it dropped the "three and".

The Latin quote is from one of the sources given for Elizabeth de Samlesbury: "Remains, historical and Literary, Connected with the Palatine counties of Lancaster and Chester," page 121 - https://books.google.com/books?id=HP0MAAAAYAAJ&printsec=titlepage#v=onepage&q&f=false

It includes a footnote with genealogical info, but I can't tell the source of the info in the footnote, so I'm trying to pick up what info the Latin contains under the section that I believe refers to a charter of land for Robert de Holand.

Thanks!

ps - cool source: http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/guide/chron.shtml
WikiTree profile: Elizabeth de Holand
closed with the note: question was answered & incorporated into bio for Samlesbury-7 - please contact me with any corrections though!
in Genealogy Help by Liz Shifflett G2G6 Pilot (402k points)
closed by Liz Shifflett
20th year of Edward I = 1292, yes? (Reigned 1272-1307, from http://www.historytoday.com/michael-prestwick/art-kingship-edward-i-1272-1307 )

And Feast of St Mary Magdalene is 22 July (from http://www.magdala.org/2015/07/the-feast-of-saint-mary-magdalene/ ). So the date given is the Wednesday before July 22, 1292, if I've got the right Latin translation.

see also this cool converter:  http://people.albion.edu/imacinnes/calendar//Regnal_Years.html

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Yeah, sounds like google translate may have glitched for moment--there's definitely not a word for 'three' or 'third' in the Latin. Looks to me like your translation is pretty spot on : )
by Jayme Arrington G2G6 Pilot (103k points)
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woo-hoo! Thanks Jayme. And I've found the date for the feast. Just need to find a perpetual calendar to get the Wednesday before July 22, 1292 :D
ooh - too cool the resources you can find online!
23 July 1292 is the date - from http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cal/jultus.htm that I got to from http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cal/reg9.htm
Yes, I would agree too.  Wednesday after the feast Day for St. Mary Magdalene in 20 Regnal Edward I.  Edward was crowned in November and his Regnal years are 20 Nov to 19 Nov.  20 Regnal Edward I fell from 20 Nov 1292 until 19 Nov 1292.  Feast Day for St. Mary Magdalene is 22 July which would make it 22 July 1292.  The feast day fell on a Tuesday that year and so the Wednesday after is 23 July 1292.

Hope help

Doug
Perfect! Thanks Doug!

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