PGM FOX. Should Margaret, daughter Elizabeth, and possibly husband Henry be PGM?

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PGM.  While working on Chapman families, I came across Elizabeth (Fox-1021) Chapman, according to basic data on the profile, she was b. England 1641. Her mother was Margaret (Clarke-1435) Fox b. in England in 1611.

The following source was already on the profile.

Connecticut Vital Records to 1870 (Online Database:, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2011.) From original typescripts, Lucius Barnes Barbour Collection, 1928. Volume: Windsor, Page(s): 102 Henry, bd. Sept. 12, 1640

I don't have access to, but I am supposing that it is from this source, and Ancestry Trees that a profile was created for Henry Fox, wife of Margaret and father of Elizabeth.  Henry Fox-1022, according to this profile was b. in England in 1610 under the name "Foucks." and died September 1640 in Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut.

But Starr in his book about Goodwin ancestral lines and Ferris in her book on Dawes-Gates say that Mr. Fox presumably died in England, and his wife Margaret & daughters may have come over with the Clarke family.

I have disputed facts delineated in profile Fox-1021 Elizabeth (Fox) Chapman, along with web address & page numbers.

Need help with disputed facts.

Need help on whether this family could be PGM.

WikiTree profile: Elizabeth Chapman
asked in Genealogy Help by Cheryl Skordahl G2G6 Pilot (151k points)
Do you need what the Americanancestors piece is?
thank you for your comment, Elizabeth.  I'm wishing I had access to AmericanAncestors...maybe next fall I'll allocate $ for it.  But in answer to your question, I think Roland cleared up the situation in his comment below.  Have a good day!


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Henry Fox and family are not listed in Robert Charles Anderson's The Great Migration Directory published 2015.

Connecticut Vital Records to 1870 (The Barbour Collection) p 102 says “Fouks, Henry, bd. Sept.12,1640" That's all it says. There are no other entries.

Starr, F. F., Various Ancestral Lines of James Goodwin and Luy (Morgan) Goodwin of Hartford, Connecticut. (Hartford Connecticut) 1915. Vol. I, p 164 says:

"Mrs. Fox's daughter Elizabeth married in England, presumably about 1660, Edward Chapman."

p 154 says"

"Edward Chapman married elizabeth fox in Ingland" citing p 41 of the Church Record made by Mathew Grant, the famous Town Clerk and land surveyor of that place.

If she did marry in England then she was not a pre-1640 immigrant.


Ferris, Mary Dalton, Dawes-Gates Ancestral Lines, A Memorial Volume Containing the American Ancestry of Mary Beman (Gates) Dawes. Volume II, Gates and Allied Families. (Privately Printed) 1931. pp 183

Seems to be saying that the first child born in Windsor, CT was Henry 4 Jul 1663.

Elizabeth joined the church on 22 Apr 1677.

So Elizabeth most likely came over between 1660 and 1663. PGM is pre-1640 only so Elizabeth is not PGM.

I'm not sure if the reference to “Fouks, Henry, bd. Sept.12,1640" has anything to do with her father. It seems like you'd need more evidence than that to assume this was the same man.


Charles Anderson's The Great Migration Directory published 2015 p 66 does list Henry Clark - says his origin was unknown and arrived in 1639; Windsor, Hadley. He cites CCCR 1:46 and Winsor Histor 2:155.

CCCR: The Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut, 1636-1776, 15 volumes (Hartford 1850-1890)

Here's a link from CCCR Vol 1 p 46

It just include Henry Clark in a list of residents.

Windsor Hist: Stiles, Henry Reed The History and Genealogies of Ancient Windsor, Connecticut (Hartford, Connecticut, Case, Lockwood & Brainard company, 1891-2) 2 vols.

Here is a link to page Vol2 155:

It is very brief and no information about his sister.

So at least Margaret's brother Henry Clark(e) is PGM.

Star p 163: "Margaret Fox was Clark, the Christian names of her parents and husband are unknown. It is surmised that her husband died in England and that she came to this country with her son-in-law Edward Chapman."

If that's the case than none of these profiles are PGM. If we created Henry Clark(e) he would be the only PGM profile of the bunch in my humble opinion. But I've never studied this family before. So I'm basing it on the above evidence only.

Good luck with the research and thanks!

answered by R B G2G6 Mach 3 (39.6k points)
selected by Cheryl Skordahl
Thanks Roland, you're a real trooper!  I'll take apart and investigate the information you have given above and proceed.  You've been very helpful.

Sincere appreciation,

I'm very glad to have you on the team. You are doing superlative work. Thank you!
PGM  If there is anyone on the PGM team who would like to bring Henry Clarke into the PGM Project, there are suggestions for 4 sources on the profile for Margaret (Clarke-1435) Fox.

We don't believe Henry Clarke has a profile at the present time.

thanks much for your hard work

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