Richardson says John Hastings & Juliane (Leybourne) had one son, should two daughters listed as children be detached?

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Should the two daughters of John (Hastings-120) and Juliane de (Leybourne-14), Eleanor (Hastings-1089), and Alice (Hastings-671) Cotton be detached as their children? Royal Ancestry says, they only had one son, Laurence Hastings.

* ROYAL ANCESTRY by Douglas Richardson Vol. III, Page 258
: JOHN DE HASTINGS, 2nd Lord Hastings, son and heir, married JULIANE DE LEYBOURNE (or LEYBURNE), daughter and heiress of Thomas de Leybourne, Knt., by Alice, daughter of Ralph de Tony, Knt. They had one son, Laurence, Knt. [Earl of Pembroke]. By an unknown mistress, he also had an illegitimate son, William.

Thank you for helping to answer this question! :-)
in Genealogy Help by Bettye Carroll G2G6 Mach 4 (46.3k points)
edited by Bettye Carroll
Thank you, Jerry Baraboo! Great resources! I appreciate your research on this question very much! :-)

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Both daughters need to be disconnected - they are attached to the wrong fathers:

History of Parliament Online:     In the biography of John Ingoldisthorpe, “Sir William Ingoldisthorpe of Ingoldisthorpe by his w. Eleanor ?da. and coh. of Miles Hastings of Quidenham”

Alice Hastings who married Thomas Cotton was daughter and heir of Sir John de Hastings of Landwade, Cambridgeshire. 

East Anglian, Or, Notes and Queries on Subjects Connected with the ..., Volume, edited by Samuel Tymms, Charles Harold Evelyn White

by Joe Cochoit G2G6 Pilot (216k points)
selected by Bettye Carroll

Wow! Great work, Joe Cochoit! Hope someone, that has the right, will disconnect these two profiles and place them with their rightful fathers. :-)

Right now, with Alice (Hastings-671), we have three (3), to many, Cotton generations, that are between Jane (Haute-1) Wyatt, wife of Thomas Wyatt, (Magna Carta badged), and Roger (Bigod-2), (Magna Carta Surety Baron).   

Relationship Trail

1. Jane (Haute-1) is the daughter of William Haute [unknown confidence] 
2. William is the son of Isabel (Frowick) Haute [unknown confidence] 
3. Isabel is the daughter of Joan (Sturgeon) Haute [confident] 
4. Joan is the daughter of Joan (Cotton) Sturgeon [unknown confidence] 
5. Joan is the daughter of Walter Cotton [unknown confidence] 
6. Walter is the son of John Cotton [unknown confidence] 
7. John is the son of Alice (Hastings) Cotton [unknown confidence] 
8. Alice is the daughter of John Hastings [unknown confidence] 
9. John is the son of John (Hastings) de Hastings [unknown confidence] 
10. John is the son of Henry (Hastings) de Hastings [unknown confidence] 
11. Henry is the son of Henry (Hastings) de Hastings [unknown confidence] 
12. Henry is the son of Margaret (Bigod) de Hastings [unknown confidence] 
13. Margaret is the daughter of Roger Bigod [confident] 

Thanks, Joe Cochoit, I really appreciate to research that you did to answer this question! :-) 

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I have often found that biographies and lineage resources discount a couple's offspring who did not survive childhood. In that case, I may mention them as I see fit. My usual decision is to record those who lived to their second birthday. An exception would be a whole family lost in a disaster.
by Judith Chidlow G2G6 Mach 4 (43.7k points)

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