According to my family records on, Joan and Sir Richard Frye had a son, John Frye aka Farrar.

+5 votes
According to my daughter's resesrch over ten years ago on after Joan and Sir Richard wed, she bore at least one son, named John.
Joan is the feminine of John.
John Frye aka Farrar had a daughter named Marie Farrar.
She wed Edmund Whittell's son, Thomas. Their grandson chaned his name to Whittle in Ireland. His son moved to Canada. These were my Whittle ancestors.
Esther Whittle
Father: Sterling Nordqist Whittle
Grandfather: Utelis Whittle
Great grandfather: Richard Thomas Whittle
Great great grandfather: Thomas Levi Whittle
WikiTree profile: Richard Frye
in Genealogy Help by

1 Answer

+2 votes
Best answer

Never trust an Ancestry Tree. Sometimes they are correct and can be good hints, but everything they say needs to be verified, with facts or other better sources. There are very few verifiable facts from such early ancestors. At wikitree we tend to believe what the Richardson books (sources listed on the profile) say, because we know that his genealogical research is sound.

In this case someone, by wishful thinking, made this connection, but it's most likely untrue that Sir Richard and Joan had a son John. I don't see the will on the profile, but there were probably no children listed in it.

You might also look at the answers to this question.


by Anne B G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
selected by Keith Hathaway
And fiction breeds fiction.  Somebody concocts a fake pedigree, and then other people start concocting ways to attach to it.  In this case, looks like we've got a Maria Farrar somehow being made to be the daughter of a John Frye whose ancestry is already fictitious.

There is a lot more detail about  Joan Beaufort and Richard Frye on an old post from Douglas Richardson on  Rootsweb

The 1504 Will mentioned  is available on both the National Archives site  and on Ancestry UK.  It is very short, just 5 lines but is in Latin

From my imperfect latin  (schoolgirl, classical) combined with diffullties in reading the script

Short preamble asks for burial by the friars of Stamford. Gives goods movable and immovable to wife Johanne. Other  witnesses or co executors  seem to be a Robert Bekensal[b]e and a Jacob Ag[j?]ost.


But who's Richard William Frye?
I have also researched this on Ancestry as my wife's family are descended from the Frys, and in my view it is most unlikely that Sir Richard Frye and Lady Joan Beaufort had any children.  They did not marry until the 1480s and Joan Beaufort was born in 1433, so she would have been well past what was then considered childbearing age.  I think it is likely that Sir Richard had been widowed and that Joan was a second marrage.  The identity of his first wife is unclear - some Ancestry users give her the initials N.N. - but she was very likely the mother of Sir Richard's son John Frye (1475-1551) from whom the Fry's chocolate family is ultimately descended.

Related questions

+5 votes
2 answers
+7 votes
2 answers
122 views asked Jan 21, 2020 in Appreciation by Hope Ryan G2G6 Mach 1 (15.5k points)
+5 votes
1 answer
97 views asked May 25, 2019 in Appreciation by Hannah Hayward G2G Crew (310 points)
+5 votes
3 answers
83 views asked Dec 28, 2018 in Appreciation by Joseph Cook G2G2 (2.4k points)
+5 votes
3 answers
90 views asked Dec 15, 2018 in Appreciation by Mike McCotter G2G Crew (460 points)
+2 votes
3 answers
428 views asked Dec 8, 2017 in Genealogy Help by Tim Perry G2G6 Mach 3 (33.4k points)
+4 votes
2 answers
+5 votes
1 answer
195 views asked Dec 7, 2012 in Genealogy Help by anonymous

WikiTree  ~  About  ~  Help Help  ~  Search Person Search  ~  Surname:

disclaimer - terms - copyright