what does "overlijdensdatum fictief" mean?

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Have come across this on a death record for an ancestor and not sure what it means. I got the literal English translation from google as "date of death fictional" but not sure what to think from there.

Any help much appreciated!

Sarah
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I believe in this context a better translation might be 'date of death is notional' - the date is 'theoretical'... it might be wrong but it is the best guess. This person drowned so the reported date of death could be the last time they were seen alive, the day their body 'washed up', or a guesstimate on date of death based on physical condition of the body, etc...
by Rob Ton G2G6 Pilot (275k points)
selected by Jan Terink

Also the note that the date is 'fictief' is an indexer comment. My best guess (with my poor Dutch language skills) at reading the actual record gives "[?] een sloot aan de Lijnbaanlaan levenloos is opgehaald" which I would roughly interpret as saying he was found dead in some sort of ditch on Lijnbaan avenue (now just known as Lijnbaan) -- see the FamilySearch image

This suggests to me the date is the day the body was found, which may, or may not, be the actual date of death. 

Hopefully one of our many Dutch speakers can give a better reading and translation of the record.

Better reading and translation than the one Rob gives is (as usual!) hardly possible.

"Uit een sloot aan de Lijnbaanlaan levenloos is opgehaald"

"Was picked up dead from a ditch on the Lijnbaan Avenue"
The "pickup" was done April 29, about six A.M., and the death certificate created May 1.
Thank you Rob, Jan and Pat!

That makes much more sense to me.

And thank your for the link to the death certificate - I will be taking a course to start learning Dutch next month although I'm not sure how many genealogy terms might be included lol.

Sarah, you might also want to bookmark http://gtb.inl.nl/ particularly if you will be dealing with many older Dutch records; when Google Translate doesn't return a result, or it returns something totally nonsensical I'll try putting the term in the search engine on the linked site, then I'll Google Translate those results to get a better idea of what a particular word might mean (or once meant, at least). As an example, the entry for "Fictief", run through Google Translate gives, in English:

↪1. Arbitrarily conceived, invented,
↪2. Which only benefit there be a consideration or computation value is assigned.

It's not perfect but definitely enough to get a sense of how the word might be being used.

Thanks again Rob - definitely a useful reference :)

One could also try the Dutch-English dictionary from 1801

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Hi there

 

I think overlijdensdatum means date of death. and fictief perhaps estimated
by Pat Kelynack G2G6 Mach 4 (42.3k points)

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