Who is Arnold (St_Leger-104) [closed]

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Who is Arnold (St_Leger-104)? If he is not the husband of Joan (Cherleton-1) would someone with the right disconnect him as her husband, please.

Thank you, :-)
WikiTree profile: Arnold St Leger
closed with the note: Cherleton-1 has been disconnected as discussed & requested.
in Genealogy Help by Bettye Carroll G2G6 Mach 4 (46k points)
closed by Darlene Athey-Hill

4 Answers

+2 votes
From everything I've seen, Arnold's wife was unknown.  Some show her first name as Joan, but I don't have any records that indicate that Joan Cherleton remarried after the death of Sir John Grey. I haven't done an exhaustive search, so I'll wait for others to pipe in with an opinion.  If no one does, feel free to detach Arnold de St. Leger from Joan (or let me know and I will do it).

Thanks for pointing this out.

Darlene - Co-Leader, British Isles 742-1499 Project
by Darlene Athey-Hill G2G6 Pilot (369k points)
+3 votes
Opinions seem to differ on whether there should be two Arnolds - ie whether John's father was Arnold or Ralph.
by RJ Horace G2G6 Pilot (561k points)
+5 votes
There isn't anything in The Complete Peerage, (Vol. 3, p. 162 & Vol. 6, p. 137-38) to indicate that Joan Cherleton married before or after Sir John Gray.  In any case she was born in about 1400 (aged 21 in 1421) and at least on his Wikitree profile, Arnold St Leger, died in 1399.

There is some basic information about the genealogy of the St Leger family of Ulcomb here http://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-kent/vol5/pp385-396 but it doesn't mention wives very often.
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (428k points)
Yes.  Marlyn Lewis also shows John son of Ralph, citing Richardson - though Richardson has been known to rely on books like Hasted for want of better, when it's not important (and this is off the trail).  I can't see who he cites in the preview.

The WikiTree version comes from Tudor Place.  I wouldn't vote for that normally, but in this case there are extra details which must have come from somewhere.
Lewis for Arnold: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p757.htm#i22733

I looked up St Leger in Royal Ancestry, Vol IV, pp 536-539. Not sure what Lewis is citing, but from Royal Ancestry:

* Ralph Saint Leger, Esq, son of Ralph by Anne, daughter of John Prophett, m Isabel (or Elizabeth) Haute. Their son Anthony (one of 6 sons/several daughters), born about 1496, married before 1525 Agnes Warham, daughter of Hugh by Marian Colle (or Cool). They had a son Warham who married Ursula Neville, & they had a son Anthony who married Mary Scott about 1578.

I didn't see anything about an Arnold who married Joan in that volume (but I just checked the bold entries). Also, there's no mention of Arnold in the entry for Joan Cherleton m John Gray (LLOYD #8, Vol III).
+3 votes
The evidence supports the removal of the incorrect wife. Two profiles were removed, and should be merged.
by Robin Wedertz G2G6 Mach 1 (17.7k points)

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