Are Isaac & Alice Cleveland not the parents of Moses, born CA 1622,Ipswich, England?

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WikiTree profile: Moses Cleaveland
asked in Genealogy Help by Kathleen Hoglin G2G Crew (960 points)
I just spent some time looking at some of the earliest secondary references to Moses with the assumption that the earliest records may have memorialized some lost record or reference to his parentage. Not surprisingly, I found no reference. What I did do, for the sake of others, is to add links to these references in Moses Cleveland's profile so others can more easily verify the [lack of] information should they want to see for themselves.

I've been sorting some of the Clevelands and I'm asking the same question:D

Does anyone happen to know *who* first asserted that an Isaac and Alice are the parents of Moses of Woburn? ...

Moses' profile is also a bit confusing because there's a spin-off of the Isaac/Alice theory which morphed into a Samuel Isaac/Alice idea. ... Is it a mash-up of different branches? (That's what it looks like on clean-up).

To add to the confusion ... at least one secondary source asserts that Samuel, son of Rev. Thos. Clieveland, vicar of Hinckley, LEI and descendant of the Yorkshire branch ... might be the father of Moses of Woburn (whose WikiTree profile has no parents). ... However, Forbes (n.d.), complicates thing by stating that Moses of Woburn sailed over from Ipswich. And I quote:
 

"Moses Cleaveland (or Cleveland...) came to this country (says family tradition) with his master, a joiner, from Ipswich in the county of Suffolk, England. 

He early took up his permanent abode in Woburn, as appears by the Town Records, which, under date of Feb 3, 1648/9, mention a committee appointed to lay out the portion of land which had been promised him. 

He m. Ann, dau of Edward Winn, born in England Sept 26, 1648 and had by her the following children, viz: 

  1. Moses b. Sept 1, 1651. 
  2. Hannah b. Aug 4, 1653, m. Thomas Henshaw (pronounced at that day Hincher) 1677. 
  3. Aaron b. Jan 10, 1654/5 
  4. Samuel b. June 9, 1657. 
  5. Miriam b. July 10, 1659 m. a Fosdick or rather Foskett of Charlestown."

Forbes got it from here

https://archive.org/details/genealogyofcleve01clev/page/24

which is entirely the usual, ie nobody knows anything before the first record at Woburn.

But we do have an Isaac whose father was called Moyses

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRHR-3Z8

From which I'd assume that NEHGS people will have looked at Ipswich and not found anything publishable.

But there can't have been that many Moyses Clevelands, so maybe it'll be surprising if the immigrant turns up anywhere else.  The Hinckley thing is just a blatant attempt to hook up to a known family with a longer pedigree.

This comes from an LDS Temple sheet, which "cites sources" allegedly.  If it pans out, it could be the baptism of Isaac's father

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cleveland-1020

Thank-you RJ!!!:)

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An Ancestral File was submited 5/10/2011 indicating Isaac and Alice were Moses Cleveland's parents. Generally, ancestral files need to be verified for accuracy.    https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SPJX-QFF

Earlier generations are also indicated here as well as his wife's parents.
answered by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (1.8m points)
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Hi Kathleen, Do you have documentation to support their being his parents? They were detached from his profile because, at least so far, we haven't been able to find any proof of who his parents were. As Frank Gill mentioned, an ancestral file isn't considered a source. It can only be a clue for where to look for a source.
answered by Kay Wilson G2G6 Pilot (158k points)

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