Heilige Römische Reich Deutscher Nation OR sacrum Romanum imperium nations Germanicae?

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Which should be used when entering villages for German ancestors - Heilige Römische Reich Deutscher Nation OR sacrum Romanum imperium nations Germanicae?
in Policy and Style by Jana Shea G2G6 Mach 3 (36.2k points)

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Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation was used for a while after the loss of its Southern parts, Switzerland, and the United Netherlands during the 16th and early 17th centuries. However, the official name was always Sacrum Romanum Imperium only in Latin and in its constituent languages: Heiliges Römisches Reich for German speaking areas but as a multilingual empire with the name in their respective languages in areas with different languages. The addition "Deutscher Nation" or "Nationis Germanicæ" was only occasionally used in the literature later and never official. As the people in daily life would not have used Latin I am using the name in the language the people were speaking amongst themselves.
by Helmut Jungschaffer G2G6 Pilot (613k points)

Thanks so much, Helmut!  

On a related note, what would you suggest as correct format for areas (particularly Herrschaft Landstuhl) which were ruled by France from 1680-1697?  

Would it, for instance, be correct to enter as Mittelbrunn, Herrschaft Landstuhl, Frankreich OR Mittelbrunn, Westrich, Frankreich OR something else?

Landstuhl and surroundings was occupied by French military in the late 17th century until 1697 and again from 1796 on and officially became a part of the Département Donnersberg (Département du Mont-Tonnerre in French) in 1798. It was the Französische Republik (République française) which ended de facto in 1799 and de jure in 1804 and was followed by the Französisches Kaiserreich (Empire français) until the end of it.

I do not have a firm opinion about how to call a location while it is under military occupation but not formally annexed and while the original political entity continues to exist. I would probably mention the occupation only in the biography. 

Helmut is a pro, but while I'll offer my own simpler solution, He or others will say what to do with (or think about) this less complex frame of reference, I hope.

In my tree I have one family whose members are residents of villages inside Karlsruhe: Thus, in the Add Fact part of the profile for them on ancestry.com, I wrote: In "Unteröwisheim, Bruchsal, Baden, Prussia" in the original record, the village comes first, the town of record is Bruchsal, that era's (1830s) name for the area was Baden, and the state was Preufsen (fs: in old script--looks like ss).

Because the records ancestry.com gives, the village is not shown nor recognized as a search element. I received the villages names from an archivist at Stadt Karlsruhe in one of many emails as she dug deeper. I am held back from this because using a wire transfer to pay them costs far more than acquiring the record itself. : > ( . 

Thus, I sense that if I remove the villages from the profiles' search request, I'm much more likely to get results from the website for each inividual. IS that Correct? I don't know.

DOES anyone know a cheaper yet safe way to send money (from the US or anywhere) to acquire German records??? I could then search Frankfurt records and Baden records to find out more, if those archivists are as careful as the Frankfurt archivist was.




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