Is it normal to have 3 different military numbers for one person

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My ancestor [[Coote-278|Herbert Coote]] who was born in October 1881 was called up for military service in 1914.(WWI) I have found 3 entries for "his" military service. the name, birth date and location, and residence are identical. I can understand he could have been attached to different regiments at various points during the war but would that also mean he had a change of number, and if not how do I figure out which one applies to him?

 

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in The Tree House by Wendy Sullivan G2G6 Pilot (149k points)
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Yes it is possible, as you stated different regiments - I know almost nothing about military except my family were in the military.

In the case of an in-law - he was promoted and he from recollection had two different military records.  Hopefully someone with more knowledge will come along and advise why this happens.
Thank you for your reply T.Cassidy. It looks like he may have been made an Honorary Colonel from the records I found on Forces war records, so maybe that is the reason. They don't have a number at all though as it seems the numbering of personnel was somewhat haphazard then and often duplicates were made.

They apparently didn't have  what we know as army service numbers in the British Army until 1920 . Before that numbers were issued by the regiment or corps so as your man served with three regiments, then it seems right that he had three numbers. http://www.1914-1918.net/renumbering20.htm 

Thank you Helen, that makes perfect sense, although in my mind not sensible when keeping track of men and paperwork for pensions etc.
THE ANSWER IS YES.

CEF NUMBERS WOULD BE ASSIGNED AND USE FOR SET PERIOD OF SERVICE.  FOR AN INDIVIDUAL AS PART OF THE CEF - THIS WOULD INDICATE THAT ENROLMENT (ASSIGNED SERVICE NUMBER) - IS RELEASED AND REPATRIATED TO CANADA NOT ONCE BUT THREE TIMES.

ONE SHOULD NOTE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE BRITISH ARMY WHICH WOULD RE-ASSIGNED A NEW REGIMENTAL NUMBER ON TRANSFER TO A NEW UNIT.
Thanks Elgin, that's important info to know :)

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Normal, no, but it can and does happen.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.6m points)
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I have found two numbers quite a few times but never three!
by Iain Cooke G2G6 Mach 1 (10.8k points)
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In this case, Mr Coote was a British Soldier.  We must keep in mind that the British army Balloned from from 100ks to multiple Millions.  I am currently reading CALL TO ARMY - British Army 1914-1919.  It highlights the BRITS were dealing Territorials, New Army and such.  One key factor is there a was  a major restructuring around 1912.  The situation was there was no central control over the service / regimental numbers.  The 1920s service number control was the result of lessons learned.  Another thing to keep in mind is that everything was handraulic - easy to register not so easy to retrieve.

For Canadian Soldiers, I have seen on rare occasion as many as four (4) regimental / service numbers.  A key observation is the Canadians retained the same service number when transferring from unit to unit.  There are two circumstances that a Canadian would have multiple service numbers.  One would be transferring from the NPAM (Non Permanent Active Militia) to a member of the CEF.  The other situation is where an individual was released from service and rejoined the CEF, in that case he would be issued a new service number.

I just wonder if there was similar mechanism for the British Army soldier?  It is one that I had thought about nor investigated why.
by Elgin Smith G2G5 (5.5k points)
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Wendy, Thanks for asking the question as it is making a few people (including me) think. Whilst I am certainly no 'expert' on the British Army I know that from the Australian Army (whose basis is in the British forces) perspective there can be different, even several, regimental numbers for the one serviceperson. I am doubtful that this is due to different regiments though. It is more likely to be due to different forms or levels of service, for instance, in Australia militia service (part time service) would carry a different reg.no. to fulltime. Again, an overseas expeditionary force would entail a separate number to regular Army (in Australia, the world war expeditionary forces were formed by speciiifc acts of parliament as the regular army was only authorised for service within Australia. I have noted that both the Northamptonshire and Bedfordshire Regiments included regular and militia forces. If you are able to contact British Army records units, they should be able to confirm the reasons for the different numbers allocated to Herbert Coote. Regards, Ken
by Kenneth Evans G2G6 Pilot (220k points)
Thanks Kenneth, that's certainly an avenue to explore further.

Appreciate the information :)

Wendy

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