Are Anne Morley and Anne Moriel the Same Women, b. ca. 1410?

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A merge has been proposed between two women: Anne Morley and Anne "Moriel" Morley.

Anne Morley (Morley-31) is the daughter of Thomas Morley (Morley-32) and his wife Isabel de la Pole, b. ca. 1413 Arundel, Sussex, England..  She married John Hastings in 1434, and they had children.  Records show that she died in 1471 at Fenwick, Yorkshire, England.

Anne "Moriel" Morley (Morley-1333) is also shown as the daughter of Thomas Morley, but she was born in abt 1410 in Suffolk, England, and married Lawrence Martin and had son Richard Martin, b.1433.  She died in Long Melford, Suffolk, England.

I can find no evidence for the existence of Anne "Moriel" or for her marriage to Lawrence Martin.  BUT, I can find no evidence that Anne Morley, daughter of Thomas Morley, married Lawrence Martin prior to marrying John Hastings. I believe these are two different women, as evidenced by the different birth places, different husbands and different death places, and that the name Morley was associated with Anne Moriel through an erroneous merge.

Can anyone find any evidence for the marriage of Lawrence Martin that shows who he really married?  Or anything that would show that these two women are the same person?
WikiTree profile: Anne Martin
in Genealogy Help by Vic Watt G2G6 Pilot (334k points)

Not much almost only Wikitree results are popping up, and it for sure is a tricky one (or two) , it looks like there were more Anne Morley's with fathers named Thomas 

John IX Arundell, born January 07, 1420/21 in Lanherne, Cornwall, England; died November 1473.He was the son of  John VIII Arundell and Margaret De Burghersh.He married Anne Morley Abt. 1446. Anne Morley, born Abt. 1427 in Arundell, Sussex, England; died Abt. 1447.She was the daughter of Thomas Morley, Lord.

Will look for more and something reliable and hopefully helpful  


Maybe this is more helpful ?

John O Morley, "The Origins of the Morleys in England and their Early Appearance in Wales ," Annals of Genealogical Research Vol. 9, No. 1 (2013) at here 

And here's a wikipedia page for Thomas de Morley

Thanks, Bea.  That article does help.

I have changed Anne's LNAB to Moriel and added a note that Anne Morley and Anne Moriel and not the same person.  i also disconnected her from father Thomas Morley.

Thank you Vic and glad it helped :)

1 Answer

+1 vote

I proposed the merge, but I neglected to look into this more and I think they should be disconnected and the merge set as a rejected match.

BHO doesn't have the Sussex volumes, Complete Baronetage v.4 p.41 doesn't have the ancestry but according to the Collins' English Baronetage, this couple was the ancestor of Sir Roger Martin, of Long Melford, Sussex created a baronet March 28 1667. 

"Richard, his son an heir, by Anne, daughter of Thomas Moriel, was father of Richard, who, by Elizabeth, daughter to Roger Hulfner had issue, another Richard and died 1463". Mentions the Visitation of Sussex - Different enough spelling and different places, good catch!

by Kirk Hess G2G6 Mach 6 (64.7k points)
Kirk, Thanks for proposing the merge.  If you hadn't, we wouldn't have found this problem. I have now totally disconnected Anne from Thomas Morley and changed her LNAB.
Yups thank you Kirk ! and Vic !

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