How can Elizabeth McCord and John Means children be born in New Jersey when Elizabeth died in Ireland in 1717?

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Based on Ancestal File information at familysearch.org , it looks like John and Elizabeth and their children were born in Ireland. Several of their children made it to America and Elizabeth may have stayed in Ireland. Looks like Elizabeth died in her late 30's and John remarried to Mary. 

John Means

Birth:  1678, Ireland
Death:  Jan. 29, 1739
Bucks County
Pennsylvania, USA
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He was born in what was then called Co. Tyrone, Ireland. 
 
Family links: 
 Spouses:
  Mary Spencer Kelly (1695 - 1739)
  Elizabeth Mc Cord Means (1678 - 1717)*
 
 Children:
  William Means (1694 - 1778)*
  Robert Means (1714 - 1779)*
 
*Calculated relationship
 
Burial:
Deep Run Presbyterian Church Cemetery 
Bedminster
Bucks County
Pennsylvania, USA
 
Created by: Lynne Ream
Record added: Feb 20, 2012 
Find A Grave Memorial# 85256040
by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.3m points)
Do you have Josiah Means, Ireland, as father of John Means, born 1678?   Thanks

See Means-438, Robert Means for the citation from the book, The Means family in America by Foglesong, n.p., 1972, pages 3-6, 13 and 48.  It gives the children of John Means, son of Josiah, as William, Robert and Nancy "Ann", who came to PA 1718.  Their mother died in 1717 in Ireland.  The book is out of print and not available as an e-book.  It is also not available for purchase as far as I can tell.  The Mid-Continent Public Library, Kansas City, has a copy and probably others.  My cousin Margaret Fox had a copy, and it may be the one in Mid-Continent Public Library.  She copied some pages out of it for me.

The Means Family in America book states that John Means then married  Mary, widow Kelley and had three more children, Elizabeth, Sarah and Alexander.  These six, and no more, were named in his will, written 29 Jan 1739, Buckingham Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania.  The widow, Mary Means, administered the estate, filing bond dated 18 Mar 1739.

After John Means landed in Boston in 1718, he later moved in 1720 to Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where he died 1739.  Deed records in Bucks would show if he sold his Bucks County land and went to New Jersey for a while.  But, none of his children by Elizabeth McCord could have been born there.

The Widow Kelley was probably nee Mary Spencer, wife of Moses Kelley,  They had at least 7 children, one of them, Nancy, married her step-brother Robert Means.  Robert had a sister, Nancy, married first to Sloan and second to John Wasson who was killed probably in 1756 in an Indian raid, and his wife Nancy was taken prisoner.  She was returned a few years later, and was referred to as an "elderly woman" when the Indians surrendered her.  FAG is very confused about Moses Kelly and his wife, so don't trust them.  The Means book above probably has references for the data, but I've not seen them.

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Submitted 5/13/2011 by gregorya3

PEDIGREE RESOURCE FILE - PEDIGREE RESOURCE FILE

The submission has his father as Joseph b 1653
 
Pedigree Resource Files are not checked for accuracy so, it's best to verify them before considering the information etched in granite. 
 

 

 

by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.3m points)
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
before 1678    Fermanagh, County Tyrone, Ireland
death:
1739    Bucks County, Pennsylvania
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCord/
child:
William /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
1678    Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Bucks Co., Pa.
marriage:
1700 / 1723    Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland;Bucks Co., Pa.
other:
Bucks Co., Pa.
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
Miss /McCord/;Mary /Spencer/
children:
Nancy Ann /Means/, William /Means/, Robert /Means/, Sarah /Means/, Alexander /Means/, Elizabeth /Means/, Ann /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
before 1678    Tyrone Co., Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Bucks Co., PA
marriage:
about 1700    Tyrone Co., Ireland
spouse:
Unknown /McCord/
child:
Nancy Ann /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
before 1678    Tyrone Co., Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Bucks Co., PA
marriage:
about 1700    Tyrone Co., Ireland
spouse:
Unknown /McCord/
child:
Nancy Ann /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
about 1678    Fermanagh, County Tyrone, Ireland
death:
1739    Bucks County, Pennsylvania
marriage:
about 1692    Fermanagh, County Tyrone, Ireland
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCord/
child:
William /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
about 1678    Fermanagh, County Tyrone, Ireland
death:
1739    Bucks County, Pennsylvania
marriage:
about 1692    Fermanagh, County Tyrone, Ireland
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCord/
child:
William /Means/
John Means
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
birth:
before 1678    Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland
death:
29 January 1737    Makefield, Twp, Bucks, Pennsylvania
burial:
1739    presbytarian Church Yard, Deep Run, Bucks, Pennsylvania
marriage:
about 1692    Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland
spouse:
Elizabeth Mc Cord
children:
John Means, Robert Means
John MEANS
Ancestral File
birth:
1678    Basking Ridge, Somerset, NJ
christening:
1739    , Fermanagh, Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Makefield Twp., Bucks, PA
burial:
1739    Deep Run, Presbyterian, Churchyard, Bucks
marriage:
1700 / 1723 / 1745    Of Fermanagh, Tyrone, , Ireland;, Bucks Co., PA;Of Paxtang Twp, Lancaster, PA
father:
Joseph MEANS;John MEANS
mother:
Eleanor Mrs MEANS
spouse:
Miss MCCORD;Mary Kelley-Posibly SPENCER KELLEY;Mary KELLEY;Ms Mccord
children:
Hugh MEANS, John MEANS, Elizabeth MEANS, Ann MEANS, Alexander MEANS, Sarah MEANS, William MEANS, Nancy Or Ann MEANS, Robert MEANS, John MEANS, JR. ;[jr], John MEANS ;[jr], Adam MEANS, Andrew MEANS ;[Sr.]
John Means
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
birth:
1678    Basking Ridge, Somerset, New Jersey
christening:
1739    , Fermanagh, Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Makefield Twp., Bucks, Pennsylvania
burial:
1739    Deep Run, Presbyterian, Churchyard, Bucks, Pennsylvania
father:
Joseph Means
John Means
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
about 1678    Fermanaugh, Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Makefield Twp, Bucks, PA
burial:
Deep Run Presby, Bucks, PA
marriage:
about 1692    Fermanaugh, Ireland
father:
Joseph Means
spouse:
Elizabeth McCord;Means
children:
William Means, Robert Means, Hugh Means, Nancy Ann Means
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
about 1678    Fermanaugh, Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Makefield Twp, Bucks, PA
burial:
Deep Run Presby, Bucks, PA
marriage:
about 1692    Fermanaugh, Ireland
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCord/;/Means/
children:
William /Means/, Hugh /Means/, Robert /Means/, Nancy Ann /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
1678    Co. Tyrone, Ireland
death:
1739    Makefield, Bucks Co., PA
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
/McCord/
child:
William /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
1678    Basking Ridge, Somerset, Nj
christening:
, Fermanagh, Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Makefield Twp., Bucks, Pa
burial:
1739    Deep Run Church, Bucks, Pennsylvania
marriage:
1700 / 1723    , Fermanagh, Ireland;, Bucks Co., Pa
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
Miss /McCord/;Mary /Spencer Kelley/
children:
Nancy or Ann /Means/, William /Means/, Hugh /Means/, Robert /Means/, John /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
1678 / 1678 / 1678    Fermanagh, Tyrone County, Ireland;Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland;Fermanagh Co., Ireland;Fermanagh County, Ireland;Fermanagh, Ireland
death:
1739;29 JAN 1738;ABT 1739;29 JAN 1739    Makefield Twp., Bucks Co., Pa;Makefield Twp, Bucks, Pa;Makefield Twp., Bucks County, Pennsylvania;Makefield Township, Bucks Co., Pennsylvania;Makefield Township, Bucks County, Pennslyvania\\;Makefield Twp., Bucks, Pa
burial:
1739    Deep Run Presby., Bucks Co., Pa;Presytarian Church Yard, Deep Run, Bucks County, Pennsylvania;Presbytarian Church Yard, Deep Run, Bucks, Pa
marriage:
from 1692 to 1694    Fermanagh, Tyrone Co., Ireland;Fermanagh, Tyrone County, Ireland;Fermanagh, Ireland;Bucks Co., Pa;Bucks, , Pa
father:
Joseph /Means/
mother:
? /?/
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCord/;Mary /Spencer/
children:
William /Means/, Robert /Means/, Hugh /Means/, John /Means/, Nancy Ann /Means/, Ann /Means/, Alexander /Means/, Sarah /Means/, Elizabeth /Means/
John /MEANS/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
1678    Fermanagh, Tyrone, , Ireland
death:
29 January 1739    Makefield, Bucks, Pennsylvania, USA
spouse:
Mary /Kelley/
child:
Elizabeth /Robertson/
John /MEANS/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
about 1678    Fermanagh County, IRL
death:
1739    Makefield Twp., Bucks, PA
burial:
Deep Run Presb, Bucks, PA
marriage:
1692 / 1723    Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland;Bucks, PA, Ireland
father:
Joseph /MEANS/
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCORD/
child:
Nancy Ann /MEANS/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
about 1678    Fermanagh Co., Ireland
death:
1739    Makefield Twp., Bucks Co., PA
burial:
Deep Run Presby., Bucks Co., PA
marriage:
about 1692    Fermanagh, Tyrone Co., Ireland
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCord/
child:
William /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
about 1678    Fermanagh, Ireland
death:
1739    Makefield Twp., Bucks Co., PA
burial:
Deep Run Presb. Bucks, PA/
father:
Joseph /Means/
spouse:
Mary /Spencer Kelley/;Elizabeth /McCord/
children:
Robert /Means/, Ann [Nancy] /Means/, William /Means/
John /Means/
Pedigree Resource File
birth:
1675    Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland
death:
29 January 1738    Age at Death: 61/Makefield Township, Bucks, Pennsylvania, United States
burial:
Bedminster, Bucks County, Pennsylvania, USA
marriage:
1700    Fermanagh, Tyrone, Ireland
father:
Joseph /Means/
mother:
Marie /Mansfield/
spouse:
Elizabeth /McCord/
children:
John /Means/, Elizabeth /Means/, Sarah /Means/, Alexander /Means/, Thomas /Means/, Hugh /Means/, WILLIAM /MEANS/, Nancy /Means/, William /MEANS/, Ann /Means/, James /Means/, William /Means/, Robert /Means/

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