Can someone translate these two German marriage records for me

Question

Hi,

Could someone please translate these two marriage documents.  They are of my great Aunts Bertha and Anna Bohn.    Their husbands Axt and Greiner.

These documents list where they were born and who their parents were; but I can't decipher them.

 

thanks

Rob Luke

http://interactive.ancestry.com/2957/41910_prep808_000343-00097/186701433?backurl=http://person.ancestry.com/tree/51246725/person/27337304277/facts/citation/920043798577/edit/record

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http://interactive.ancestry.com/2957/40087_prep221_000172-00417/20251495?backurl=http://person.ancestry.com/tree/51246725/person/27337304298/facts/citation/920043755734/edit/record

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These links require an Ancestry account, something not many European German speaking members will have...

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Moreover, they require a "World Explorer" Ancestry account, which is an expensive add-on to the expensive U.S.-only Ancestry account that I have.  I might be able to translate the German, but I can't see the records.

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HI, Thanks for your replies.

Perhaps the more difficult question is How do I post a JPEG on this site?  The system will not let me cut and paste or attach a file

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The best way to do it is to upload the image to a profile for the person or even for yourself and then link to it here in G2G. However, if you upload it to your profile and your profile is set as private then we won't be able to see it.

But I've gone ahead and uploaded them to a space page.  They are both at http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:BrowsePhotos&l=14275568&p=1

Please send me a message once they have been translated so that I can delete them from my pages.

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HI Donna:

Thank you for uploading the AXT marriage certificate.  I think you uploaded it twice instead of AXT and Greiner.  Could you please delete one of the AXT and upload the Greiner?

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Oops sorry about that!  correct one uploaded

Answer 1

I haven't got an ancestry account, but if you could cut and paste it into your question, I am willing to try and translate it.

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Hi -The system will not allow me to cut and paste, or attach, a JPEG.  The marriage document is in a JPEG

Answer 2

The best way to uploade images is to upload the image to a profile for the person or even for yourself and then link to it here in G2G. However, if you upload it to your profile and your profile is set as private then we won't be able to see it.

But I've gone ahead and uploaded them to a space page.  They are both at http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:BrowsePhotos&l=14275568&p=1

Please send me a message once they have been translated so that I can delete them from my pages.

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Oh, dear! I'm too tired to do justice to this. The handwritten script is not as difficult as on some other old German documents I've seen, but it's not easy to decipher.

Some tidbits I managed to pick out without much study:

• Both images are of the same document (it has a number 744 on top).
• The document has a date of 18 August 1887.
• Both parties are of the evangelical religion (I believe this means Lutheran).
• The young man was born in December, probably on the 15th; the year appears to be in the 1850s.
• The young woman (Anna) was born in the month of June, also in the 1850s, in Landsburg.

Answer 3

Not complete, but a start. Both pages posted are identical.

Berlin, the 18th of August 1887

Before the undersigned official appeared today for the purpose of marriage:

1. The xxxx Wilhelm Axt

identified himself based on his baptism certificat,

Evangelical religion, born the 5th of December of the year 1862 in Felgenau Kreis Koeniglich Starogard (this was West Pommeran / Prussia, about 200 miles nort east of Berlin, south of Gdansk),

Resident at Berlin, Anklammerstrasse 23

Son of xxxx Wilhelm Axt and his wife xxx  nee Hoclinowska  resident at xxx

2. The seamstress Anna Emilia Henriette Bohn

Evangelical religion, born the 13th of June of the year 1861 in Landsberg an der Warthe, Resident at Berlin, Anklammerstrasse 23

Daughter of Carl Ferdinand Friedrich Bohn and his wife Carolina Wilhelmina Henriette nee Breitag, both deceased, last resided at xxx

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Thank you Hans.

I am dying to know what "daughter of xxx Bohn and his wife xxx resident at xxx" is.  Same for the husband Axt

That will get me one level further in my search. I have asked Donna to upload the other document as she uploaded two of the same.  The other document SHOULD have the same "daughter of xxx Bohn" info on it as Bertha and Anna Bohn are sisters.

My great grandfather changed his name when he arrived to Texas from Germany in 1878 and the shipping records from Danzig and Galveston for that year are missing.  So, for 20 years I have been trying to confirm that his real name was not Emil Ernst but XXXX Bohn.  Anna and Bertha are his sisters who remained in Germany.

It was a fantastic breakthrough when I finally found these marriage records as all I had for 20 years was that we "thought" that one sister married a Greiner and we "thought" the other sister married an Axt.

After WW1 my great grandfather lied and told the US immigration that he was really from Russia.  By that time he had changed his name to Ernst to avoid some Texas cattle rustlers who were out to get him for testifying against them. :)

I found Anna and Bertha through a niece who immigrated to Texas in 1928.

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The other image has been uploaded for translation. Sorry about posting two of the same.

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Hi Donna.

You have been so wonderful.  Here are the last two documents that I request be translated.  They are the son of Anna and the daughter of Bertha.

You can delete the others because Jungshaffer has already translated them.

http://interactive.ancestry.com/5753/42377_prep806_000714-00119/302733213?backurl=http://person.ancestry.com/tree/51246725/person/27337304298/facts/citation/920043790538/edit/record

 

http://interactive.ancestry.com/5753/42377_prep806_000726-00330?pid=2748124&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DCbT482%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26ssrc%3Dpt_t51246725_p310008020122%26srchb%3Dr%26gss%3Dangs-g%26rank%3D1%26tid%3D51246725%26pid%3D310008020122%26gpid%3D%26gsfn%3DKarl%2520Otto%2520Julius%2520%26gsln%3DBohn%26msbdy%3D1885%26msbpn__ftp%3DBerlin,%2520Berlin,%2520Deutschland%26cp%3D6%26cpxt%3D1%26msrpn__ftp%3DBerlin,%2520Berlin,%2520Deutschland%26msrpn1__ftp%3DBerlin,%2520Berlin,%2520Deutschland%26msgdy%3D1920%26msgpn__ftp%3DBerlin,%2520Berlin,%2520Deutschland%26msmng%3DAnna%2520Emilie%2520Henriette%26msm

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Okay those are up.

 

http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:Images_for_Robert_Luke_(temp)&public=1

Answer 4

Nr. 744
Berlin, August 18th, 1887
Before the undersigned civil registrar appeared today for the purpose of marriage:
1. The wheelwright Friedrich Wilhelm Axt, recognized based on his baptismal record, protestant, born December 5, 1862 in Felgenau, Kreis Preußisch Stargard, residing in Berlin, Anklamerstraße 23, son of the wheelwright Wilhelm Axt and his wife Justine, née Kalinowski, residing in Dirschau
2. the seamstress Anna Emilie Henriette Kohn, recognized based on her baptismal record, protestant, born June 30, 1861 in Landsberg an der Warthe, residing in Berlin, Anklamerstraße 23, daughter of the painter Carl Ferdinand Friedrich Kohn, deceased in Kriescht, and his wife Caroline Wilhelmine Henriette, née Kreitag, also deceased, residing last in Fichtenwerder.

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Are you sure about Bohn? The B in Berlin is written distinctly different from the first latter of the name. That letter resembles closely the K in Kriescht.

Felgenau: Wielgłowy

Preußisch Stargard: Starogard Gdański

Dirschau: Tczew

Landsberg an der Warthe: Gorzów Wielkopolski

Kriescht: Krzeszyce

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Hi

I am pretty positive on Bohn.  If I could attach that other document....

Also, I have their son Karl Bohn on another document which I will ask Donna if we can post.  then we can delete them all.

I see your point about Berlin and Bohn being different.  Also, the Breitag or Kreitag

Thank you very much

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Hey, anonymous -- When you get all this figured out, please register for an account here and post profiles for these family members. You likely will be able to help some hitherto unknown relatives solve some of their family-history mysteries. :-)

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The other image has been uploaded for translation.

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Thank you!!

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Hi, I thought I was registered.  I will do so immediately.

I am 100% when I say that I have spent 20 years trying to gather this info and you folks have been so nice.

My son and I are flying to Berlin middle of August and I would love to see some of the places my ancestors lived.  Landsberg is in Poland of course, but Berlin should be fun

Answer 5

Nr. 207
Berlin, April 6, 1891
Before the undersigned civil registrar appeared today for the purpose of marriage:
1. Policeman Karl Eduard Greiner, recognized on the base of his submitted baptismal record, protestant, born January 25, 1863 in Herzberg, Kreis Schweinitz, residing in Berlin, Swinemünderstraße 67, son of the unmarried Hanne Marie Greiner, now married trader Jensch, residing in Herzberg
2. the dressmaker Bertha Hulda Emilie Bohn (based on this I would agree, definitely B although differently written than the B's in Berlin and Bertha), recognized on the base of her submitted baptismal record, protestant, born February 3, 1864 in Fichtwerder, Kreis Landsberg, residing in Berlin, Swinemünderstraße 67, daughter of the painter Karl Bohn, deceased in Kriescht, Kreis Landsberg, and his wife Henrietta, née Breitag, deceased and residing last in Fichtwerder.