Pre-1500 duplicates but none with correct LNAB

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http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/VonIstria-1 and http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Istria-5 are the same person. He belongs to the Grafen von (take your pick) Orlamünde, Weimar, or Weimar-Orlamünde, depending on the source. A definitive LNAB should be established so that these profiles can be merged.

In addition, we have profiles named Weimar, Orlamunde, Orlamünde, Weimar Orlamunde, von Weimar, von Orlamunde who on first sight do belong to the same family and would all profit from a settled LNAB.

in Genealogy Help by Helmut Jungschaffer G2G6 Pilot (520k points)

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Thanks Helmut

They don't appear to have had a dynastic name, but Weimar appears to be area they ruled at the beginning, and that is the name used most often in the Genealogie Mittelalter website

http://www.manfred-hiebl.de/genealogie-mittelalter/weimar_grafen_von/familie_der_grafen_von_weimar.html

Charles Cawley in the Medieval Lands database also uses Weimar as their name http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/THURINGIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc425497104

I think I would use Weimar for all members of this dynasty.

The other question is what language to use once they started to rule Istria?  Charles Cawley, uses the Italian, Marchesi di Carniola e Istria, but I think at this time the area was under the Holy Roman Empire, and the German, Markgraf von Krain und Istrien, might be more appropriate?

What do you think?

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (426k points)
selected by Darlene Athey-Hill
This sounds like one of the profiles where it would definitely be a plus to have a paragraph ==Name== under which the various linguistic variations could be listed, along with comments as to which was selected and the circumstances under which others would be suitable!
I would agree with using German, simply based on how they would have referred to themselves. Carniola was inhabited by Slavic people, but Istria had a more complex linguistic make-up with heavy Roman/Venetian influence in the coastal areas and beginning Slavic penetration inland. They were not part of the kingdom of Italy but first belonged to Bavaria and then Carinthia until they were separated out in 1040. The Markgrafen at this time also didn't really full-time live there and that got to the point that the later ones (Andechs-Meranien) barely ever set foot there. So for our time frame I would see the title as a Holy Roman Empire title bestowed on Germanic nobility without much connection to the people living in the land they ruled.

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