Looks like we have a merge Polish or Slavic EuroAristo

Question

If someone with pre 1500 agree please initiate a merge

Von_Lausitz-1 Von_Lustatia-1

Those person displayed in the new merge report
http://www.sdms.si:92/function/WTWebDuplicates/Profiles.htm?WikiTreeID1=Von_Lausitz-1&WikiTreeID2=Von_Lustatia-1

Thanks
Magnus

Comments

which spelling? I'm thinking Von_Lausitz-1 is preferred, since it has a source (to FMG, which does not give her a last name but says: EMNILDA, daughter of DOBROMIR [ruler of Lausitz and the lands of the Milseni])

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sounds logic...

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I'll have a look, but neither name is correct according to the EuroAristo naming standards.  I've also added the euroaristo tag to this question.

Answer 1

German: Lusitzi

Lower Sorbian: Łužičenjo

Upper Sorbian: Łužycanarje

Old Sorbian: Łužycany

These represent not a house name but the West-Slavic tribe in question.

Comments

Thanks Helmut, It looks like the only primary source to mention Emnilda's father Dobromir doesn't actually state where he is from, and it's later sources that think he might have been from  Lausitz.  I gather Emnilda's other name Slowianska is the Polish version of saying she is Slavic?

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You have in WikiData Q455016 the following forms

Language	Label	Description	Also known as
English	Emnilda of Lusatia	Duchess consort of Poland
Norwegian Bokmål	Emnilda słowiańska	No description defined
Swedish	Emnilda av Lausitz	No description defined
Finnish	No label defined	No description defined
Czech	Emnilda z Lužice	No description defined
Danish	Emnilda słowiańska	No description defined
German	Emnilda	Herzogin von Polen	Emnildis Emnild
French	Emnilda de Lusace	No description defined
Indonesian	Emnilda Słowiańska dari Lusatia	No description defined
Dutch	Emnilda	No description defined
Norwegian Nynorsk	Emnilda słowiańska	No description defined
Polish	Emnilda słowiańska	księżna polska, żona Bolesława Chrobrego	Eminilda

 

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Articles in Wikipedia

• cs Emnilda z Lužice
• de Emnilda
• en Emnilda
• fr Emnilda de Lusace
• id Emnilda
• nl Emnilda
• pl Emnilda słowiańska
• sv Emnilda av Lausitz

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I did a graph from the Wikidata using Polish names
See blog People-related-to-emnilda-of-lusatia.html

Bic pic

• Piast dynasty (Q201615) 

Map generated with the people in Wikidata marked with Piast dynasty (Q201615) 

 

See blog post search-on-piast-dynasty-in-wikidata.html

 

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John:

You are right, słowiańska means just Slavic in Polish, and yes, Thietmar just mentions her as the daughter of "Dobremirus" and does not give any information about where she is from. I gather that the origin from Lusatia is guessed at mostly based on onomastic reasons: both Emnilda and her daughter's name Regelindis appear in Saxon nobility hence the speculation that Dobromir was married to a Saxon and Lusatia would be the most logical Slavic area of this time bordering Saxon lands.

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Thanks again Helmut, any suggestions as to a LNAB we shoul use for Emnilda and her father?

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Not sure if this is the same line, but D. Richardson has a Lusignan line. Royal Ancestry Vol. III page 677

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John, what do you think about going with the predominant association with Lusatia since there are all sorts of theories involving almost all West Slavic areas but Lusatia appears almost everywhere as the most likely candidate? In that case I would go with Łužycany, the old Sorbian name, since that population is speaking one of the two existing Sorbian languages until today.

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Thanks Helmut, I think your suggestion is better than using Unknown and I'll make the changes on the weekend.

I haven't actually seen the Richardson volume, but I think the Lusignan line may be a different family, but thank you for the suggestion anyway.

Answer 2

Thanks for all the work on this, but, everyone, please remember that anyone can propose a Pre-1500 Merge, you do not have to ask someone else to do it.

Answer 3

Is this resolved so I can merge her and adopt her for the Polish project? Or Slavic project?