Are these the right arms for Richard FitzAlan (10th Earl of Arundel, 9th Earl of Surrey)?

Question

I was looking at the images attached to Richard's profile, and two images for Arundel arms were attached. But when I was looking for a Wiki Commons image of his effigy, I found an image that showed his arms as Arundel quartered by Warenne (see this page). His mother was Alice Warenne, but he was the 10th ear of Arundel & the image title has him as the 9th, so I thought I'd better check.

Thanks!

 

Comments

While we're there, the "coronation of Richard III" picture has the wrong title.  Perhaps it means Richard II, but it's also in circulation with a different title.

And I suspect the best picture of Copped Hat is the one with the cap, but we've given that to his son.

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RJ - I thought we'd determined that portrait _was_ of his son, not him. The link on the son's profile that says it's him (the father) goes to a Google security page for me. Looking around for more info, I found a different image that says it's the 10th earl (here - posted by a Pinterest user, so still looking for reliable info).

edit: this page shows the picture as being Richard FitzAlan (1266-1301)

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The Google link works for me, but it goes to the Pinterest page.

There's also this picture

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw123948/Richard-Fitzalan-Earl-of-Arundel-and-Eleanor-of-Lancaster

which calls him the 3rd (or 10th) earl of Arundel and 8th earl of Surrey.  Earls are difficult to count.

 

 

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I found that one too, and I like it, but its published date is 1785. I'm assuming that means it was drawn in 1785 (which means it was based on.... their effigies? one or the other or another of the portraits labeled as him?).

The two images said to be various Richards have to be documented somewhere, but I can't find them online.

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ps - thanks for the note about the coronation. I added the comment from the version posted on his son's profile (from Wikipedia). I'm going to unlink the Richard III version from profiles, which should make it go away in a bit (3 or 4 weeks, I think).

 

Answer 1

Richard the 10th Earl of Arundel bore the FitzAlan arms (also borne by the 9th Earl).  It is not incorrect to show the plain Arundel arms for Richard, but of course in this case it is better to show Arundel quartered by Warenne, as shown at wikimedia commons with a good source.

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Thanks John!