listed with spouse that is disputable

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I was working on a profile that showed her as having a spouse when in fact as of yet, I cannot locate one. I removed him as her spouse because the search location for this showed him with a different person as his wife. Was this all I needed to do? and can there be an easier way to locate a spouse when we are going back 140 yrs or more?
WikiTree profile: Lenna Monroe
in Genealogy Help by Theresa Shaffer G2G3 (3.4k points)

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I've re-attached Omer Briscoe as Lenna's husband.  Wikitree is a collaborative website which means that before we make major changes such as removing a spouse, we talk to each other.

The profile for Omer Briscoe, has sources, including a link to a record of re-marriage for Omer Briscoe and Lennie Briscoe (nee Monroe) which looks like it is naming the same person as Lenna Monroe.

If you want to dispute the marriage to Omer Briscoe, then you need to provide sources to state that she didn't marry him, or married someone else, and they need to be better than just other online family trees.  Do you have a census record showing Lenna was still unmarried during this period, a marriage record showing her marrying someone else?
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (466k points)
selected by Mags Gaulden
thanks for your help. when i looked, it lists lillie on the headstone picture. when checking familysearch.org it lists linnie l monroe, which doesnt necessarily mean its her. in our family records, they dont go into detail. I appreciate the advice and i will keep digging and thank you.
There are 2 wives for Omer if only looking at Find A Grave:

1.  http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Briscoe&GSiman=1&GScid=84779&GRid=79572421&

2. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=104164647

These two wives don't seem to be the same person.  

Could there be two Omer Briscoes in the same area?  First cousin also named after grandpa?

There is a marriage registration for Omer Briscoe and Linnie L. Monroe in 1892. And ANOTHER one in 1909. The one from 1909 says Omer Briscoe, born 10 December 1867 in Washington County to Frank Briscoe and Mary Godfrey, marries Lenna L. Briscoe born 15 March 1873 in Scott County  to Thomas and Mary I. Monroe. Each has been married once before. It looks like maybe that marriage is a second marriage - I wonder why? Did they split up for a time? Did their original license get lost and they decided to just marry again? We may not learn why, but the record indicates to me that this is definitely our cousin Lenna. Then in 1912 the same Omer Briscoe, born 10 Dec 1867 to Frank Briscoe and Mary Godfrey, marries Lillie May Nale. He dies in 1917 and Lillie is buried beside him in 1963. According to an obituary transcript on FindAGrave, Lenna (Monroe) Briscoe moved to Lima, Ohio (where her son Heber lived), around 1917 and died in 1952.

"Indiana Marriages, 1811-2007," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27VW-WGB : 21 January 2016), Omer Briscoe and Linnie L Monroe, 02 Oct 1892; citing Washington, Indiana, United States, various county clerk offices, Indiana; FHL microfilm 1,306,031.

"Indiana Marriages, 1811-2007," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27VW-PQM : 21 January 2016), Omer Briscoe and Lennie L Briscoe, 03 Apr 1909; citing Washington, Indiana, United States, various county clerk offices, Indiana; FHL microfilm 1,306,032.

Indiana Marriages, 1811-2007," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27VW-P6F : 21 January 2016), Omer Briscoe and Lillie May Nale, 23 Mar 1912; citing Washington, Indiana, United States, various county clerk offices, Indiana; FHL microfilm 1,306,033.

Thanks so much for your help....this is very interesting
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Howdy Theresa,

I did some digging on FamilySearch, and added a list of sources. They appear to support two spouses for Lenna, 1st, Omer Briscoe, and 2nd, James A Hawkins. Hope that helps figure this out.
by Tyler Bindon G2G3 (4.0k points)
thanks. how and where did you come up with this?
It's all from searches on familysearch.org. It's search isn't great, but, by tweaking the data you provide, it is sometimes possible to dig out useful records.

Looks like Lillie was Omer's second wife. That's confusing. Take a look at: 

"Indiana Marriages, 1811-2007," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27VW-P6V : 21 January 2016), Omer Briscoe and Lillie May Nale, 23 Mar 1912; citing Washington, Indiana, United States, various county clerk offices, Indiana; FHL microfilm 1,306,033.

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Theresa,

Hi, cousin! I was looking at the 1892 marriage record for Omer Briscoe and Linnie L. Monroe and thinking about what linguists call the "pin-pen merger." Being from the part of Indiana near Chicago, I pronounce "pin" and "pen" quite differently. In Southern Indiana where Lenna was from, they're pronounced the same. See the map at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_high_front_vowels#Pin.E2.80.93pen_merger

I think it's very likely that the 1892 marriage of Omer Briscoe and Linnie L. Monroe and the 1909 second marriage of Omer Briscoe and Lenna (Monroe) Briscoe are for the same couple.

There's a slightly more enjoyable discussion of the pin-pen merger at http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2489
by Karen Lowe G2G6 Pilot (139k points)

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