can a person still have distant royal origins, with no gateway ancestor

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I'm Curious my ancestors were part of the Puritan non Puritan migration,  in the 16 hundreds.
 it keeps showing far off ancestors related to royalty.  well I know with each generation Our grandfathers multiplied many times and 20 Generations ago leaves you with a lot of grandparents, can it be the grandfather's, of Royal lineage.  I can imagine those lines get pretty crowded and people breed away does anyone else have distance lineage like this?
asked in Genealogy Help by Rodney Rarick G2G2 (2.6k points)

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Yes, definitely. Gateway ancestors are just those known to have royal origins. There are millions of people as yet unidentified who are still gateway ancestors. There have been mathematical calculations done on the number of ancestors each person has,compared with the known number of people in Europe in the 8th C and it is now acknowledged that all Europeans and people with European ancestry must have Emperor Charlemagne (c.742-814) on their tree somewhere.

The same sort of calculation assures all those of British descent of a line back to Edward 1(1239 – 1307).

Work is going on amongst Asians, and already it is estimated that 0.08% of men within the boundaries of the medieval Mongol Empire, descend from one man with a distinctive DNA, who is almost certainly Genghis Khan (c. 1162 –1227  ). Worldwide, this means that 0.05% of all men descend from him.

Remember, also, that there are many more royal families than just the British and European ones that people aspire to on most sites (the sites being dominated by people of European descent). I am working on the Indonesia Project and I have proven descents of most of the presidents of Indonesia since independence (1945) from the royal Houses of Yogyakarta, Surakarta and the royal lines that preceded them back to the 7th C. Other prominent Indonesian people are descended from royal lines of the islands they lived on, some of which were very powerful. Then there are the royal lines of the Polynesian,African and American peoples.When Pocahontas came to London, she was acknowledged by Elizabeth 1 as an equal.


answered by Susan Scarcella G2G6 Mach 6 (66.6k points)
selected by Cheryl Skordahl
Susan, than you!
I'm not seeing any immediate lineage that someone would fabricate to recent connections, yet only distant. I am taking a crash course in British history, somehow to be at least a tenement resident on land, offered a few more privileges, such as the ability to afford migration. Thier settling in the colonies, shows only modest land ownership....
Thanks, I'll keep reading

Clan Edmonstone has a Stewart connection, this line connects to my Mother: from JPVIV :)

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Anything is possible! My hobby horse is status - gentlemen didn't raise blacksmiths, but a lot of family histories have sons of gentlemen emigrating to New England and working as laborers or farmers. Literacy was another indicator of status, I don't think it was common for gentry sons to sign wills with marks because they would have been taught how to read or write even if they had no inheritance. Merchants had to be literate and was a occupation where younger gentry sons and yeoman mixed.  Finally, there were a lot of illegitimate children who were not recognized by their father, so they aren't recorded in primary documents and we have a hard time proving their ancestry but they might use his surname.  If your line isn't in a secondary source you probably can find an error, it's usually the grandparents of the gateway ancestor. There are exceptions of course - good luck!
answered by Kirk Hess G2G6 Mach 4 (49.9k points)
Thanks Kirk!...secondary sources ie..I have read the entire pilkington geneology, I'm skeptical.
I'm going with, privileged enough to be tenement farmers, 200 years, enriched and given a higher status by the black plaque and a labor shortage. The Tiltons by other social changes, became puritans in the English Colonies, only mirroring the class struggles of the mother country (the Bay colony, not so much the Tiltons), have you read what caused the Salem witch trials.....Oy! Vah! we ever learn?

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