Proof documents of Aboriginal for Germain Doucet -Micmac

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Germain Doucet, 1641 is said to be of aboriginal decent!

I would like documented proof of this status! Any information would be appreciated!

 

Sherry

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Hi:

I am a direct line male descendant of Germain Doucet, b. c. 1641. I am the person in the article who first tested positive for haplogroup C3b, (Native). My genealogy has been veriifed. Since testing, I have had ten exact ydna matches, all going back to Germain Doucet. This proves that he was Native.

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I have painstakingly traced my family history to 1535 France.  Germaine is my x7 great grandfather.  Germaine was commissioned by the king of france to establish a colony in the New World, hoping he wouldn't miss the land mass and sail off the edge of the earth.   They were all into the whole flat-earth thing back then, apparently.  Now, Germaine was considered quite a ladies' man and fathered many children with a number of different wives.(not all at the same time)  At least one of these wives was of aboriginal heritage and she did indeed bear him children.    Now, more than one of his sons by these different wives was named Germain.   So he had several sons by different wives named after him.  At least one of those namesakes adopted an aboriginal child and also named him Germain.  At the time, the First Nations people were the only inhabitants of Nova Scotia.   When the colonists arrived with Germaine, they helped them adapt to life in Canada, and without the generosity and kindness of the First Nations people, it is probable that the colonists would have died a week into their first winter.   Of course, the settlers and first nations colonies were in frequent contact with each other and there were many intermarriages between the first nations people and the colonists over the years.   It doesn't surprise me at all if most or all of us have some first nations dna in us.   Hopefully that clears up some of the mystery for you.   It is incredibly frustrating tracing our lineage since most records of the time were stored in the halifax archives which of course was levelled by the explosion.  I did extensive digging and found something better.   The family bible.  Passed down to the eldest son in each generation, it has everything.   Germaine's father in france was easy to find.   His mother is more elusive.   I have found info but have not been able to verify it with any reasonable certainty.   Back in the 1500's this info was recorded only if you were royalty or very high ranking aristocracy.   Everyone else was just not important enough.  However, back then also, people had bibles.  They recorded EVERYTHING in them.   Births, marriages, deaths, adoptions, you name it.  If it was important, families put it in the one thing that would always be safe that they'd never lose.   Their family bible.   Everyone had one then.  Church was hugely important in their lives and communities.  If you look, i am sure one of your direct family members has one.   The info you need is very probably in it.  Good luck in your search.   Oh one helpful tidbit....every Doucette in Canada is related, regardless of spelling.   Some changed the spelling to the french canadian way to avoid persecution.   We were all Acadian, but some were scared, fled and hid by changing the spelling.   This may also help you in your search.

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Hi!

I am responding to anonymous regarding Germain Doucet.  He is my 10th great grandfather.  There is a bible you say?  I believe that.  Is it possible to obtain copies of the family history pages?

Thank you

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I too have had more than one DNA test that are all the same. But I have zero native, Indian or Spanish, Portugal Iberian Peninsula results. I am about 99% positive that Germain is my line through thru line and cousin match. I am 99.9 % European and hit pretty much right on target with my tree and my results.But.... I do have 1% India DNA..could this be where it came from ?

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Hello, I too did the DNA test and have tested positive for Native American ancestry.  I was able to track back grandparent to grandparent and found Germain Doucet II to be my 7x great grandfather.   Do you have any information on his mother and her Native American origins?

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Hi I too am a descendant if Germain. Can I buy into the DNA test to see where I fit in all of this?

Answer 1

Try this link about Marie Rundquist's research on Germain Doucet II ancestry. There is absolute proof of his paternal DNA being aboriginal. http://dna-explained.com/2012/09/18/germain-doucet-and-haplogroup-c3b/.

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. Germain Doucet is my 9th time great grandfather. I was surprised to find American Indian in my dna.  It has to come from my Mother's  Mother's side of the family. Thanks for the research.

Answer 2

Hi Sherry,

I'm afraid such proof does not exist. It is generally agreed upon by Acadian genealogists that Germain Doucet's father is of European origin, and nothing is known of his mother.

There has been debate about this due to some conflicting DNA results. You can read more about that here: http://geninfo.org/Pillard/Doucet-DNA.htm

So we can't be certain either way. Unfortunately, for many of the Acadians, that's the case. We can make educated guesses about their origins, but can't prove anything.

~Lianne

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I'm a bit confused about what that Doucet DNA article claims Stephen White was trying to say about the DNA evidence meaing nothing.

I haven't had a chance to peek in the "Dictionnaire" itself yet, but this page has an interesting bit from Stephen White's work about a Germain Doucet.

http://www.acadian-home.org/Mikmaq.html

FRANÇOISE, Amerindien married Germain DOUCET, Amerindien from Port-Royal River Abt 1708.

Now, the Germain in question seems to have died about 1698, so is the one that got married in 1708 a son? Next time I'm at the library, I'll have to check the "Dictionnaire" for the context from which that entry came from.

Anyway, I stumbled on to this as I was looking for Acadians to tag with a Mi'kmaq category. I guess I'll leave this one un-tagged for the time being.

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Re: GERMAIN DOUCET...question..There are ...

1....Germain Doucet dit La Verdure ..born 1595 in France....

2....Son...Germain Doucet.. born 1641 (in Port Royal)  married to Marie Landry

3...Grandson...Germain Doucet....born 1698 married Francoise Comeau

4...Great-Grandson...Germain Doucet..born 1721 married Francoise Lapierre in Quebec

Answer 3

This article might clear things up: http://familyheritageresearchcommunity.org/uploads/2/7/0/9/2709414/amerindian_ancestry_c3b_y_dna_analysis.pdf

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Article on Acadian Doucet Family - La revue L’Entraide

In its Winter 2014  issue of La revue L’Entraide, the Société de généalogie des Cantons-de-l’Est has published “La Doucet d’Acadie, Second Regard sur le Registers,” an article written by Suzette Leclair and Kei G. Gauthier.

The article reexamines the presumed sibling relationship among Pierre Doucet, b.c 1621, Marguerite Doucet, b.c. 1625, and Germain Doucet, b.c. 1641, in light of recent evidence that shows that male-line descendants of Pierre and male-line ancestors of Germain do not present the same yDNA pattern. Specifically, Pierre shows European yDNA, while Germain shows Native American yDNA.

 

The authors discuss several errors that they discovered in the documentation used to support a sibling connection among the three Early Acadian Doucets. In short, these errors can be summarized as follows:

1. Mr. Stephen White incorrectly used a marriage dispensation recorded at the time that a grandson of Germain married a granddaughter of Pierre to show that the two were brothers. The authors find that marriage dispensations of descendant of these two people cannot be relied upon because Germain and Pierre married half-sisters, Marie Landry and Henriette Pelletret, respectively. Because any later dispensation may or may not refer to Marie and Henriette rather Germain and Pierre, the dispensations do not provide proof that Germain and Pierre were brothers. yDNA, however, proves that they were not brothers.

2. In his research, Mr. White ignored several later marriages between descendants of Pierre and Marguerite. Not one of these later marriages contains the dispensation that would have been required if these two were brother and sister. Hence, the two were not closely related.

3. Marriage records from descendants of Marguerite and Germain do, as Mr. White writes, provide evidence that these two were sister and brother, although this proof is somewhat inconclusive.

4. In his article on the Declarations of Belle Ile en Mer, Mr. White confuses Pierre with Germain. This is especially important because the declaration that correctly refers to Germain, b.c. 1641, is unique among the declarations in that it says that Germain “came from Canada” instead of “came from France” or “came to Canada.” “Came from Canada” is absolutely truthful for an individual, such as Germain, b.c. 1641, who was Native American. This actually serves as proof of Germain’s Native American origins.

The article in La revue L’Entraide supports its conclusions with extensive references to Early Acadian documents.