Transcribing help needed

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Mannes Voortman and Reintje Endendijk had a son named Johan Voortman who died at the age of 4.

Mannes died the next day. Can someone look at the actual record and transcribe it for me? I wonder if they were both in an accident? or if they shared an illness.

https://www.wiewaswie.nl/personen-zoeken/zoeken/document/srcid/18680036

Thank you,  Tami
WikiTree profile: Mannes Voortman
in The Tree House by Tami Eisenga G2G4 (4.2k points)
When did this occur? Before the existence of antibiotics, a mother's death at childbirth was not uncommon. My father's first wife died in 1923 in this manner.
Johan is 4 years old and dies on 29 Jan 1892.

Mannes is Johan's father. Mannes, per family records, dies 30 Jan 1892.

This record is the recording of the child's death. I would like to know what the record states.

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Hi Tami, 

First off, the record you linked for Johan indicates he died 29 June 1892, so he died 5 months later than father Mannes. so the question seems somewhat moot.

Regardless... here is my attempt at a transcription of the record you requested:

No. 404: Op heden den dertigsten juni achttien honderd twee en negentig verschenen voor ons ondergeteekende, ambtenaar van den burgerlijken stand der gemeente Deventer, Johannes Ribberink, oud Vier en Vijftig jaren, turfboer, en Willem Hendrik van der Wal, oud acht en dertig jaren, aanspreker wonende beiden te Deventer, die ons verklaard, dat alhier op den negen en twintigsten dezen maand des morgens te negen uur, overleden is Johan Voertman, oud vier jaren, zonder beroep, geboren te Olst en Wonende te Deventer, zoon van de echtelieden Mannes Voertman overleden en Reintje Endendijk, zonder beroep, wonende te Deventer
Waarvan wij deze akte hebben opgemaakt, welke na voorlezing aan de comparanten, door dezen met ons is geteekend.

[Signature] J:Ribberink     [Signature] W.Zaalberg
[Signature] WHvdWal

I edited a Google translation of the above in order to make it (hopefully) a little more English-readable:

No. 404 Today, the thirtieth of June eighteen hundred and ninety-two, appearing before the undersigned, an official of the civil registration of the Municipality of Deventer: Johannes Ribberink, aged fifty-four years, peat farmer, and Willem Hendrik van der Wal, aged thirty-eight years, undertaker, both residing at Deventer, who declared to us that here [at Deventer] on the twenty-ninth of this month, [was] deceased at nine o'clock in the morning, Johan Voertman, aged four years, no occupation, born in Olst and residing at Deventer, son of the couple Mannes Voertman, deceased and Reintje Endendijk, no occupation, residing at Deventer
From which [information] we have prepared this document, which after reading to the person appearing, it was signed by them [the witnesses] with us [the official].

[Signatures as given previously]

As other answers have already mentioned, cause of death is not reported in the death registration - Yvette Hoitink gives some tips on researching cause of death at www.dutchgenealogy.nl

While the two deaths, being five months apart, are unlikely to share a cause, I did look at contemporary public health reports compiled by the US government (however this is based only on deaths in the "principal cities") --- there were no real epidemics in the Netherlands in June 1892 (a large Cholera epidemic came later that year) with the most prevalent diseases reported in that month being phthisis pulmonalis (i.e. tuberculosis), measles, whooping cough, and croup - combined these accounted for 272 deaths.

 

by Rob Ton G2G6 Pilot (291k points)
selected by Tami Eisenga
Thank you for your detailed answer.  And for the link to research cause of death!

No problem.

As an aside, and as a follow-on to your earlier question about Jan Voortman, you probably saw that I added a profile for Jan Holmer and made you the manager for it... I have been working on his parents and siblings (i.e. the paternal Great-Grandfather of Mannes Voortman)

While I am still looking for more concrete evidence, I am inclined to accept a claim made by some unsourced genealogies, namely that Jan Holmer's father was Jan Enneman AKA Holmer. At Verwolde there is a marriage in 1764 for a Jan Enneman and Henders Schutte. If Jan Enneman is the person later known as Jan Holmer the children of the family would be:

  1. Janna Enneman b. 1764, m. 1803, Jan Nijkamp; d. 1831
  2. Lammert Holmer b. 1766 m. 1795, Teune Nijkamp (possibly AKA Veldkamp) d. 1853
  3. Aaltjen Holmer b. 1768 m 1795 Hendrik Hendriksen; d. 1841
  4. Derksken Holmer b. 1770 m. 1793, Garrit Kappert d. 29 Nov 1853
  5. Jenneken Holmer b. 1773 m. 1793 Hendrik Holmer
  6. Jan Holmer b. 1774; m1. 1799, Johanna Moespot (AKA Voortmans); m2. 1835, Harmina Moespot; d. 1856
  7. Aalbert Holmer b. 1777 m. 1807, Henders Paalman (possibly AKA de Maag); d. 1832

There are also two other individuals that may fit in, but that I am less confident associating as children of the proposed Enneman/Holmer family:

  1. Willemken m. 1796 Jan Bagineman
  2. Hendrica m. 1786 Berend Menger

My hypothesis is that the surnames Enneman. Holmer, and Voortman would be 'farm names' which were used in Eastern Gelderland (i.e. in the Achterhoek). so using this map of the area as a guide Enneman would likely be from "De Enne", Voortman possibly relates to either Groot Nagelvoort or Klein Nagelvoort. Holmer is a bit more of a mystery but could be associated with the map location of "Het Wolmker" (Handwritten capital H and W) or Holmanshaer, both of which are relatively close in proximity to "Schuttenhuis" where Henders Schutten likely originated.

 

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Unfortunately, Dutch death records do not state the cause of death. This information actually was recorded elsewhere, but was destroyed after the data had been tabulated for statistical purposes.
by Abm van Helsdingen G2G6 Mach 5 (51.2k points)
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Hi Tami,

Date of Record No. 404 is June 30/1892. Johan died on June 29 at 9.00 A.M. He died 5 months after his father's death.

As Abm said, the cause of his death is not stated.
by Rubén Hernández G2G6 Mach 5 (52.1k points)

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