Who are Frederick Brodie's parents and his first wife?

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Greetings

Me and my mum's cousin Sandra have been trying to discover who Frederick's Brodie's parents are for years. Now I thought for a while it was Joseph Brodie and Marie Thomson, but I'm starting to have my doubts as I can't find enough evidence on the paper trail right now. I'd be grateful for any help. I also discovered in his marriage certificate that he was widowed and had one wife before Clara Taylor.

 

Here is what I know so far..

Frederick's father's surname could be either Brodie, Brody, McDonald or MacDonald.

No Birth Record yet

1851 England Census - Paddington
Frederick Brodie - Age 38 - Born abt 1813 - Head - Wife: Clara Brodie - Born: Snsemess, Scotland (Invernessshire?) - Job: Artist in hair(Hairdresser)
Clara Brodie - Age 26 - Born abt 1825 - Wife - Born: Bromly, Essex, England
George Brodie - Age 5 - Born abt 1846 - Son - Born: Brighton, Sussex
Charles Brodie - Age 3 - Born abt 1948 - Son - Born: Ramsgate, Kent
John Brodie - Age 1 - Born abt 1850 - Son - Born: Marylebone, Middlesex

For some odd reason they were missing the oldest son Frederick Brodie (Jr?)

1861 England Census (Now oddly Frederick and Clara are no longer there, but their children are living with a John and Maria Brodie (John is possibly the uncle?) Although the children are too old to be the children of John and Marie is it possible Frederick and Clara changed their names?)

John Brodie - Head - Age 34 - Labourer - Born in Hampstead, Middlesex
Maria Brodie - Wife - Aged 32 - Charwoman - Born in Bromley, Kent
Frederick Brodie - Son - Aged 16 - Errand Boy - Born in St Pancras, Middlesex
George Brodie - Son - Aged 15 - Born in Brighton, Sussex
Charles Brodie - Son - Aged 13 - Born in Ramsgate, Kent
John Brodie - Aged 11, Born in Marylebone, Middlesex
 

I discovered that Clara Brodie, nee Taylor had registered her daughter Clarissa Brodie's death on 18 May 1853 of 1 years old in Paddington (Died of whooping cough, fits)

The last evidence I could find was Frederick and Clara's marriage certificate:

Marriage solemnised in the parish church. ST George Hanover-square on 10 Sep 1843 between Frederick Brodie, of full age, widower, hair worker, of Maddox street, son of Joseph Brodie, Publican and Clara Taylor, minor, spinster, of Upper Grosvenor Street, Daughter of George Taylor, coach smith. Both signed witnesses: George Lee, Susanna Lee

I hope this helps to begin the search. I'm lost at this point and appreciate any help possible. Thank you
WikiTree profile: Frederick Brodie
asked in Genealogy Help by Victoria Toon G2G Crew (750 points)

3 Answers

+1 vote
Not too odd,he would be old enough to have married.
answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (774k points)
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You have his parents on marriage certificate,Joseph Brodie and Clara

Taylor.What am missing here.
answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (774k points)
Clara Taylor is his wife...
Frederick Brodie and Clara Taylor are my 3rd great grandparents.

Frederick was widowed when he married Clara, still trying to figure out who his first wife was.

The marriage certificate states that his father is Joseph Brody, but no mother. However, I can't find any other proof that Joseph is his father and without a mother and no marriage certificate for Frederick's parents, I cannot make any connection that is certain.

 

I'm trying to apply the genealogical proof standard to this case as I don't want to end up following the wrong family line.
+2 votes
The marriage record you have is important.The odd thing i see about your

listing is Clara Taylor is listed as a minor.spinster,never married before.

And his father Joseph Brodie is present,now Joseph Brodie wife is

not there.You can beleive this document,he swears before the pastor

 Frederick is his son.Maybe his wife is deceased.Did Frederick have a

middle name or initial,There are quite a few.
answered by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (774k points)
That's what my cousin Sandra transcribed. Didn't really notice the Minor part until you mentioned it.

Forgot to mention this particular line is really odd. We have surnames changes each generation from Brody to Brodie to Brodie-McDonald to McDonald. So the surnames may be listed on other records differently or using alternative spelling. Not sure why they changed it so much. The hard thing is because they come from Scotland and are likely descendants of one of the old clans, the question was the family originally part of Clan Brodie or Clan MacDonald. This may a key for discovering the family line.

That's quite possible, although the marriage certificate when I took a look at it own lists the father's name for both the bride and groom, so there is no indication if the mother had passed or not. Sadly I haven't discovered any middle names or initials for Frederick yet

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