Was there really a "Robert Eliot of Dedham"?

Question

NEHGR 44:367 (1890) reports that Elizabeth French, daughter of William French, married "Robert Eliot of Dedham".

However, Anderson's Great Migration profile of William French (GM2:2:591, 2001) states that she married Richard Ellis, and goes on to clarify "(The published Cambridge church records call her 'Elizabeth now Elliot & now joined at Dedham' [CaChR 8], presumably an error in transcription of the surname.)"

Elizabeth and Richard were married in 1650 when she was about 21 years old, remained married until his death in 1694, and she died his widow in 1697 ("Elizabeth wife of Left. Richard Ellis deceased July 21 1697", Dedham VR), so there isn't time for her to have married both of them.

I believe "Robert Eliot" was an error and was always intended to refer to Richard Ellis.

Therefore I propose that Eliot-135 be merged into Ellis-3146 and an explanation added to the Ellis bio.

Alternately, we could retain Eliot-135 with {{questionable}} and an explanation in the bio - not because we think he existed, but more as a placeholder so future WikiTreers don't keep re-creating him. (Given the NEHGR source, they could easily be forgiven for doing so.)

Project preference?

Comments

Cheryl,

I think retaining Eliot-135 is probably a wise idea, with the {{questionable}} template and explanation in bio as you've suggested; otherwise he's likely to get recreated ,as you've pointed out.

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Cheryl, I agree with you and Jillaine on retaining Eliot to prevent re-creation

Answer 1

Robert Eliot

mentioned in the record of Charles Frost and Jane Eliot

Name	Robert Eliot
Gender	Male
Daughter	Jane Eliot

Other information in the record of and

from Maine Marriages

Name	Charles Frost
Spouse's Name	Jane Eliot
Event Date	25 Nov 1714
Father's Name	Frost
Spouse's Father's Name	Robert Eliot

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Maine Marriages, 1771-1907

Indexing Project (Batch) Number	I00600-7
System Origin	Maine-EASy
GS Film number	11322
Reference ID	p 38

Comments

Citing this Record

"Maine Marriages, 1771-1907," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F48F-K99 : 4 December 2014), Robert Eliot in entry for Charles Frost and Jane Eliot, 25 Nov 1714; citing , reference p 38; FHL microfilm 11,322.

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Can you help me understand how this is relevant to the original question?

Answer 2

Robert Eliot
mentioned in the record of Susan Eliot
Name    Robert Eliot
Gender    Male
Wife    Elizabath
Daughter    Susan Eliot
Other information in the record of
from England Births and Christenings
Name    Susan Eliot
Gender    Female
Christening Date    04 Nov 1683
Christening Place    BRADWELL-NEAR-THE-SEA,ESSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name    Robert Eliot
Mother's Name    Elizabath
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England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Indexing Project (Batch) Number    C04334-1
System Origin    England-ODM
GS Film number    857060
Citing this Record
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5MS-PNT : 30 December 2014), Robert Eliot in entry for Susan Eliot, 04 Nov 1683; citing BRADWELL-NEAR-THE-SEA,ESSEX,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 857,060.

Robert Eliot
Father
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997

Robert Eliot
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997

Robert Elliot
Father
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997

Robert Ellyt
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
burial:
7 January 1725
Great Burstead, Essex, England

Robert Elliot
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997
marriage:
19 September 1710
Barking, Essex, England

Robert Elliott
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997
burial:
6 November 1666
Barking, Essex, England

Robert Ellit
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997
burial:
20 June 1667
Barking, Essex, England

Robert Ellyt
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997
burial:
7 January 1725
Great Burstead, Essex, England

Robert Elliott
Father
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1503-1997

Answer 3

Hi Frank, thanks for these search results. Can you explain how they are relevant/how they help answer the question?

Answer 4

hi cheryl.  i found in ancestry.com search, NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700, page 248: ELLIS, Richard (-1694) & Elizabeth French (1629-); 19 Sep 1650, Dedham.  I believe this Richard was s/o John b.1596 and Ann Benjamin.  His mother could have been another wife of John.

Answer 5

His name was Richard  Ellis and it needs to be fixed as you suggest.  He occurs throughout the records of Dedham as Robert Ellis and his descendants were Ellis.

 

https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=597875&disp=A+few+descendants+of+Richard+Ellis+(16