I need help finding the Garoutte Castle in France

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Been trying to figure out things about ancestor based on documentation. Book says Garoutte Castle is in Marseille, France and I am trying to get the exact address for Google Street View. Baptism record says he was baptized in the Notre Dame Des Accoules Church, and another book says his sister met another nobility member in Toulon, France/Triton, France and they married there. Book doesn't give address of Garoutte Castle. There is a Garoutte Boulevard in Marseille supposedly named after family name, I looked for a Castle named Garoutte there all I found was Castle Gombert if I spelled it correctly. Can I get some help finding the Castle? The book describes the Castle in detail but does not give the address. I found a sketch of the Castle de la Jaconniere and its gone in 2016 but the records for it do exist and there was a d'Espinassy de Venel inventor using the address for the Castle far back as 1960 he invented some car stuff.

 

http://www.wikitree.org/wiki/Garoutte-128
WikiTree profile: Michael Garoutte
in Genealogy Help by Mister Johnson G2G1 (1.1k points)
It's called Chateaux Garoutte Lapalud.It was for sale back in 2010 if my research is correct

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I found this write up 

The castle of the Garoutte

Julian possessed "the garden," a beautiful property that is today called "Garoutte Castle" that he was when he was in Lapalud. This property is located in the towns Low where his father and his maternal grandfather were born. It is a property surrounded by large trees, cypresses, willow, poplar, plane trees and other, the crossing of the North to noon by the Canal of the mill of Lapalud, including in the part of the lifting of the Canal buildings of master with dependencies, high on Perron, Building Operating with behind small building called the chapel, at the front Great Court with poolhouse and wells to wheel, vegetable garden with source and laundry facilities and in the sunset of the Canal prairie with wells to wheel, all with a capacity of cadastral approximately three hectares thirteen ares".

I translated the above from 

https://www.mairie-lapalud.fr/les-personnalites/le-peintre-rodolphe-julian/

There are some clues in in:  

1.  Lapalud  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapalud   Lapalud is a commune in the Vaucluse department in the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur region in southeastern France.     Coordinates: 44°18′19″N 4°41′23″E

https://www.google.com/maps/place/84840+Lapalud,+France/@44.305182,4.688421,3a,75y,297h,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1s58038696!2e1!3e10!6s%2F%2Flh6.googleusercontent.com%2Fproxy%2Faof4Hmc1C2brx_xuhkCPUfuWcXduSDkXWhOkQ5VXXW6juSETS9VY8ArwvXQMcw55EUwjOw7MTe54fTee9JNTQhdY0L6JwQ%3Dw203-h135!7i4592!8i3056!4m5!3m4!1s0x12b50a7e946ac53b:0x40819a5fd8fc320!8m2!3d44.30412!4d4.688778!6m1!1e1?hl=en   this is a photo of Julian's "chateau"  given he called it Chateau Garcoutte this could be it.

It is in a place close to where you indicated.  

by Laura Bozzay G2G6 (6.2k points)
Well I was told the one in Lapalud probably isn't the Castle they owned because it was supposedly built in 1800s, but then why would they name it Garoutte? I just don't know.
I do a lot of French research (mainly in Moselle, but also Alsace and Lorraine) so I look for several things when dealing with surnames and place names.  They often go together.   

I found this:  http://www.abbeyclock.com/garoutte.html   it points to a town close to Sines (18 km ) and close to Marseilles 65 km East is the town Gareoult.  I also found a note that said the meaning of the name came from one who came from the village of Garoreste but I have not been able to find a village with that name.  

I also queried for any places with the name of Garoutte and I looked for a list of all castles and all chateaus because Americans often call French Chateaus castles.   Nothing came up except the note I sent to you.  

This is what I think but cannot prove:  This family had money and married into nobility so they likely lived in a large manor home or on an estate and their heirs may have begun to call it a castle once they were in America because castle and chateau did not have the same meanings in English as they do in French.  So this family story came down into the ages as Castle Garoutte when it is more likely a Chateau or a manor house.  

Looking at the occupations of the family they were not royal so could not legally own a castle nor probably afford what that definition means in France.  Hence my thinking it is a chateau which often looks a lot like a small castle.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau   vs  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_France
trust me they were definitely royalty. There is a lot of incorrect information about them on the Internet because it was put together by researchers that don't know how to do genealogy, they misspelled names and all kinds of nonsense. I put over a year off and on into this research because it the last set of ancestors for me to do on my mom's side back 10 generations.

my wikitree article about the guy clears up a lot and I learned so much about the french revolution from this I could get a doctorate in it by now.

 

nobles were considered royal by the 3rd estate. Garoutte's father held office that only nobles were allowed to hold, his mother was a daughter of a Baron of Lascour, a Baron is a higher rank than a Marquis in the nobility. The paternal grandfather was a Baron as well. How do we know that is true? Certified proof of parentage such as baptismal documents given by the mayor representative of Signes say their titles were Seigneurs of Manors, Mayors, District Attorneys, Lords. All of the documents are on Jeanne Garoutte Geneanet page. Also of note is the fact that the royal General Cesar-Antoine d'Espinassy being a nobleman would not marry a commoner, this was not allowed in feudal france e.g. before the french revolution.

As for the Garoutte Castle it may not be called Garoutte Castle but something else and I just heard from a relative they do not want the Castle to be viewable on the Internet, but I don't care, also they said it is in Marseille somewhere on the way to Signes if that helps.

 

If you can help me find it I will be in debt to you.
aside from all that some are refusing to share documents with me and keep insisting on the inaccurate book which means they are hiding something big I think. The Jeanne Garoutte geneanet page is very accurate and she does provide proofs of parentage. I was able to find the address of the Chateau de la Jaconniere which is only foundation stones now.

http://gw.geneanet.org/cousinjeanne?lang=en&p=michael+antoine&n=garoutte&oc=0

why do i think something big is hidden? just take a look at the d'Espinassy family and everything they did in the french revolution.

 

another thing too is Garoutte family were exempted from tax which is something only nobles could have.
I did not mean to offend you in any way.  By royal I meant specifically related to either Bourbon or Valois and I did not see Garoutte in either of those lines nor Espinassy,  But I only took a very quick look and I might have missed something.   Nobility is very different from what I understand of French heraldic standing.  I deferred to the National Archives of France and their treatise on Heraldic standing.  A good internet primer that matches a lot of what I have read in the archives is http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/noblesse.htm

In truth a noble man could marry a common woman with no effect to his standing.  That was however not true of a noble woman.  If she married a common man she lost her titles and any future claims to them.  

I descend from most of the glass and crystal making families of North Eastern France and Black Forest Germany.  As you perhaps know, they were the only guild a noble could belong to and they were exempted from taxes and other duties.  It was actually illegal for a glassmaker to dig in the earth in case he should damage his hands.  My family were glass and crystal makers to the Kings of France and most of Europe going back to the 1500s and some lines earlier...  

Ok I went back and researched a different way... I found this and yes he would be of Royal lineage  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Joseph_Marie_d'Espinassy

Lady... there is no such title in France.  The Queen was Reine but addressed simply as Madame.  So that is a bad translation and not a clue to what level of nobility her father held.   Except in 3 areas of France not close to where your family is, nobility only came through the male line if it was inherited nobility. Truth is, women did not have the same standing as men during feudal times where nobility meant something in France.  This chart shows the French noble titles for men and women.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_and_noble_ranks

I would look for land grant and land ownership records of the Epinassy family.  https://www.french-property.com/news/french_property/cadastre_land_registry_france/  Reccently land records went on line for most if not all of France.

 It appears your guy left France and went to Lucerne Switzerland so perhaps the castle is in Switzerland?  My Eufinger castle is in Switzerland even though my family came to the US from Germany because I descend from a later son, not the first son and only the first could inherit title and land at that time period.  So they educated the other boys for a trade and then sent them out into the world.  Sigh...

When you asked an earlier question, I couldn't find anything (bar the 19th C house in Lapalud.) I also looked on the French register of monuments, castles etc  with a null result http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/merimee_fr?ACTION=NOUVEAU&USRNAME=nobody&USRPWD=4%24%2534P

Unfortunately,  It could be that the Boulevard Garoutte is a red herring since it could just as well be named after a latter Garoutte 

 There was a Marius GAROUTTE (Garoute) (1813-1895)   He was crèche maker with a workshop in Marseille. Marseille is famous for elaborate nativity scenes set in the provencal countryside complete with figures of locals alongside the Holy family (santons) The town hosts  a large annual fair selling both new and antique models .There is an example of a Garoutte creche  at the local Chateau Gombert.https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Cr%C3%A8che_de_Garoutte.JPG  

(the local museum  or even Marie might know who the street was named after)

I also found this that may be of interest. It is the list of arms bearers in Marseille drawn up in 1697 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k36661w/texteBrut

There is a Garoutte on the list  JEAN-BAPTISTE GAROUTTE, marchand D'azur.

HENRY GAROUSTE, procureur is also on the list. . You  have an Henri Garoutte procureur (same person variant spelling or a different person?)

I did find  a Chateau built by an Arnaud Clauzade-Garrouste, He was a 'captain of Toulouse' in 1693 and had been a consul for his local area.

 http://mapio.net/pic/p-26092615/

This castle is a long way from Marseille,  in  Teyssode,  which is in the  Tarn.(81)   The Garouste family lived in a village in the same canton called Prades which even today  is called Prades en Garouste to distinguish it from other Prades.

There are records of this  Garouste family in the Tarn Archives http://archives.tarn.fr/fileadmin/templates/archives/img_arch81/export_html/F

RAD081_etat_des_fonds_J.htm

I am very experienced getting records in US but in France not that much especially because it is in French!

 

Thank you!
Helen that is great info you found!  I did not look outside of the area requested to begin with but you may be onto something there.  

Mister Johansson, I read French and am happy to translate when I have the time to do so if it is type written and I can copy and paste it (so no pdf or html stuff).  Why?  Because I need to cut and paste it to do a correct translation because in French you say le chapeau et rouge which translates literally into the hat it is red.   Where in English you just say a red hat so French is always longer than English.

I contacted one of my cousins who lived in Marseilles for a long time.

He sent me some things that might be of help to you

1.  

The Garoutte family was originally from the Accoules, a part of the city of Marseille, just North of the Old Port. The church where Antoine (in 1695) and Michel Garoutte (in 1750) were cristened was destroyed during the French Revolution.

http://www.marseilletourisme.fr/les-eglises/notre-dame-accoules/

2.  The description from the abbeyclock url in an earlier email, Luc says this is behind the central city hall (mairie). From the church remains the belfry

3.   book, "The Garoutte History, 1775-1975," by Ellan Douglas Thiesen. In this tree, you can find William Cecil Headrick and Edith Finklestein, who were my grandparents.   So you and Luc may be related if this tree has any validity.  If so and you would like me to get you in touch with him, send me your direct email at rlboz / at sign / att / dot / net (I spelled it out hoping a robot does not grab it)  

4.  

My guess from the old traditions of Marseille :

-        The family house was in the vicinity of that ACOULES Belfry in the centre of the town close to the harbor (necessity of business and social life)

-        The wealthy families had also a “bastide” (local word for what could be called a Chateau because they are very big and stocky houses) for the week end and summer (avoiding the scorching heat in town)

-        Marseille is in fact a small town having agglomerated 101 villages from the country side in the immediate vicinity to become a large city. One of these villages called “St Barnabé” (today 13th district of Marseille) has a GAROUTTE AVENUE, not by chance. There is obligatorily a link with this family. In this avenue is today a large center for elderly people including a “bastide”. It is the only one in the street. It could have been the “Garoutte Chateau/bastide”     I followed up on this lead:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Barnab%C3%A9_(Marseille)

If you use Google Earth, query for St. Barnabe Marseilles France.  You will need to enable Roads.  There is a long road called Boulevardd Garoutte.  It runs from the South cross street of Boulevard Merle (its name at that end is Boulevad Hageneau) when it crosses Avenue de Saint Barnabe it changes to Bouldevard Garoutte.  Homes in this area appear to be large and many have pools so I would say an upscale area even today.  as you continue north the road changes to Boulevard Gavoty after Rue Dumas  While there are many large homes I did not see anything that appeared to be an older estate with a lot of grounds around it.  But you might want to use google earth and just look around the area for yourself.

 

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Do you have something specific in French you would like me to read?

The Cistercians are also called Trappists and Benedicts.  

First abbey where the order began from Wikipedia:   this is close to Marseilles in that it is also in Southern France.  

Cîteaux Abbey Trappist 1098 Saint-Nicolas-lès-CîteauxCôte-d'Or 1791 1898 Latin Cistercium, from which the Order's name derives.
 
LT Michael Antoine  Garouette  is the cousin to Queen Marie Antoinette and a cousin of  King Louis XVI. His father is Antoine and his Mother is Lady Ann De Lascour. Lady Ann's father was a Baron so yes they are Royalty. Michael is my 5 th Great Grandfather.
That's exciting (to me, anyway) as Michael is also my 5th great grandfather.  I'm beginning to be fascinated by my mother's side of the family...the Garouette's.  Hope to find out more and more as time goes on.  

 

I want to got Marseille ... before I croak out.

 

Rich Thompson

Sherman, Texas

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