LNAB for Grenville - Granville

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Profiles seem to switch back and forth between Grenville and Granville (with De's thrown in too).  I can find no guidance in FMG.  Do anyone have advice on which way to go?  Any sources?
asked in Policy and Style by Vic Watt G2G6 Pilot (311k points)

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Wiki tree policy is to use as LNAB the spelling used by the person during heir lifetime. Then place alternative spellings in the Other Last Name field so that people searching for other spellings will find the profile although I do not believe the current wikitree search engine includes the Other Last Name field contents.
answered by Jillaine Smith G2G6 Pilot (637k points)
selected by Vic Watt
Yes, I understand, but I don't know which names were actually used at the time.
If it were me, I'd be hesitant to change any names until I had more evidence.  Alternatively you could just use the spelling most frequently used.  It can always be changed later when more evidence is revealed.  And given the lack of response from others here, I'd say: YOU decide.  :-)
Actually I see you did not link this post to any profiles which might explain the lack of profile manager response.  Might want to edit your initial post and include a link to a profile that has multiple profile managers.
Jillaine, I didn't link to a particular profile as I was asking a general question about the surname.  I thought that by tagging with Euraristo, Granville and Grenville, everyone really interested would get notified.  Isn't that the way it works?
It should work that way.  Just hasn't been my experience.
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As there are 60 Granville and 150 Grenville, 2 de Granville and 30 de Grenville, I would use the second as the working CLN.

For the LNAB, there are some information on wikipedia:

answered by J Pictet G2G6 Mach 2 (30k points)
I find this sooo confusing and maybe Jaques Charles' answer is logical and at least as Jilliane points out this can be corrected should evidence suggest otherwise

I'm not sure what a "working CLN" is. I think Jacques is talking about merging into a temporary LNAB, e.g. choosing Grenville without being certain of it.

Strictly speaking, this is not acceptable. The "multiple redirects" problem is real. We need to be careful when doing a large number of merges that they all go into the same final profile instead of in multiple directions.

As pointed out separately by Lianne, the explanation is here: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project_protecting_and_merging#Background:_The_multiple_redirects_problem

Of course, that's easier said than done. The problem Vic is having -- a very common problem for all WikiTreers who do a lot of merges, like Jacques -- is that you don't know which LNAB to use.

What Vic is doing here is correct. She's asking for help from project members in choosing the LNAB. But she's not getting an easy answer.

I don't see an easy answer on any of this. Choosing a final LNAB can be hard but merging into a temporary LNAB causes problems.

If you're only talking about one or two merges you don't need to obsess about the LNAB. If you're talking about lots of them ... you kinda do.

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Some comments:

  • A "working CLN" is the name somebody uses to handle duplicates of a given family. When one has a complete list of profiles, identifying duplicates becomes slightly easier. The LNABs remain untouched.
  • The choice of the LNAB - or the LNABs - for a family occurs only when merging duplicates.
  • I understand the multiple redirects issue, but I am under the impression that identifying the best profile upfront is often both difficult and time consuming, not to say almost impossible. Many Euroaristos are often known under several names (titles), up to six inmy experience. Handling them at once is beyond what one can be expected to do here. That is why there are so many wrong locked IDs.
  • My uneducated guess is that about a third of the Euroaristos have a wrong LNAB*. We could decide at a latter stage to correct it, but it may reprent tens of thousands profiles.

The present policy about merging is quite impractical, based on my experience. I would suggest a bot check of the redirects: if a chain of redirects is  identified, they are modified to link directly each element of it to the top of the chain.

* Very often, that is the correct name with "de", von", "van" or "of" in front of it.

answered by J Pictet G2G6 Mach 2 (30k points)
Identifying the LNAB up front is half the point of the euro aristo project. The issues you mention with language differences and people known by multiple names is why the project was created in the first place.
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I just joined the Wikitree site in Sept. 2015 and saw your question from two years ago.  My Granville family lived in Southampton, Ontario where some people . In the same family spelled the last name Granville and others spelled it Grenville.  When I traced this name back I hit a brick wall.  I did not know that this name was actually  deGonneville, French.  Maybe you can try that surname to find relatives farther back.  That is what I did, with success.  This name is also known as Lemire dit Gonneville since the French ( and Spanish ) often gave an infant two last names, one showing maternal surname and the other showing paternal surname.

  Cheryl Granville Johns
answered by Cheryl Johns G2G1 (1.4k points)
edited by Cheryl Johns

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