LNAB for Amice/Avicia who married Roger d'Aubigny

Question

We need to decide what LNAB to use for Amice/Avicia who married Roger d'Aubigny.  She was attached to the wrong parents and ended up with a wrong LNAB.

I've been told that Burke's Peerage shows her as the daughter of an unknown Mowbray.  But we all know how (un)reliable Burke's can be.

Project Medlands shows her with no last name:  http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#WilliamArundeldied1176A

I'm looking for input and reasoning/sources on whether to use Unknown or Mowbray.

Answer 1

Katherine Keats-Rohan in her Domesday Descendants, p. 270 doesn't give Amice (or Avice) any connections or other name, and only mentions 2 sons from her marriage to Roger de Albini; William de Albini pincerna, and Nigel de Albini of Mowbray.

The Mowbray connection comes in because their son Nigel, married as his first wife, Matildis de Aquila (Matilda d'L'Aigle) and her first husband had been Robert de Mowbray, Earl of Northumberland.  Robert de Mowbray was exiled in 1096 and Nigel was granted the lands known as the Honour of Mowbray. (Also from Domesday Descendants, pp. 269 & 284)

It looks like Burke has decided that Mowbray was inherited, rather than a grant, and made Amice a Mowbray to explain how her son Nigel gained those lands?

I would go with Unknown as her LNAB

Comments

Hi John,

Thanks for piping in on this.  That was my inclination as well.  But I had someone contact me (that's why I ended up posting) that felt it should be Mowbray.  Not having enough time to do any research, I popped the question onto G2G in hopes that others would have/locate data.

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I don't think Robert should be Nigel's brother.  Robert's father used to be Mowbray-200, who I think should be restored.

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Thanks, RJ.  I've gone in and restored Robert's father to Mowbray-200 as you suggested.  I also went in and got rid of all others attached as children (thus leaving only William and Nele).

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Thanks.  Apparently the now-parentless Richard "Aubigny-46" was the Earl of Chester's butler, reputed ancestor of the barons of Warrington.  Presumably there's no basis for Aubigny being his lnab.  And obviously he wasn't a butler from birth.  But then again, we probably have a lot of people in that era who are only known by names they couldn't have had from birth, including several other butlers, and Normans who took the names of their new English properties.

Richard's wife looks very suspicious.

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You are right about all of that!  And happy new year!  ;)

I think we should detach the wife.  I know of no source for her...