Biography layout - unsure references to Ancestry

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Added sources and tidied up Davey-287. (no profile manager).

Unsure on the Ancestry sources & how to handle them.
WikiTree profile: John Davey
in Policy and Style by Roger Davey G2G6 Mach 2 (28.5k points)
retagged by Abby Glann
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4 Answers

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John Davey

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Name John Davey
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1902
Registration District Truro
County Cornwall
Event Place Truro, Cornwall, England
Age (available after 1866) 52
Birth Year (Estimated) 1850
Volume 5C
Page 107
Line Number 261
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England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Citing this Record

"England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2N5M-36W : 31 December 2014), John Davey, 1902; from "England & Wales Deaths, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Death, Truro, Cornwall, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.

by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.2m points)
+6 votes

John Davey

mentioned in the record of John Davey and Mary Annie Lawrence

Name John Davey
Birth Date 1850
Age 33
Spouse's Name Mary Annie Lawrence
Spouse's Birth Date 1857
Spouse's Age 26
Event Date 19 Jun 1883
Event Place Constantine, Cornwall, England
Father's Name Richard Davey
Spouse's Father's Name Edward Lawrence
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England Marriages, 1538–1973

Indexing Project (Batch) Number I04611-9
System Origin England-EASy
GS Film number 1545416
Reference ID items 1-13 p 7

Citing this Record

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFZ8-SK6 : 10 December 2014), John Davey and Mary Annie Lawrence, 19 Jun 1883; citing Constantine, Cornwall, England, reference items 1-13 p 7; FHL microfilm 1,545,416.

by Frank Gill G2G Astronaut (2.2m points)
Many thanks Frank - had some of those sources already covered - my question was more on what to do with all the Ancestry references but every little bit helps.
+8 votes
The Ancestry.com sources I usually leave intact on a merged, managed by someone else or adopted profile.They are pointless and useless in my opinion unless the reader of a given profile has a paid for Ancestry.com account. I prefer and exclusively use only sources with original documents that anyone can view.
by T Lacey G2G6 Mach 3 (31.9k points)
Cheers Tony - they are a mess on many profiles - usually those without a PM or a PM that is very inactive
+6 votes

Some of these ancestry sources aren't useless, they cite the original documents/index .

 S-1530372185 " Class: RG 9; Piece: 1599; Folio: 65; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542837." If you follow the link it takes you to the same page which tells you (rightly) that this is the 1861 census. (it's the official ref) With that reference and especially with the info in the bio that he was living at St Levan in 1861, the page is easy to find elsewhere.

BUT I note that ref 9 is actually to a transcription of the same census.

S-1530372182  is to the free BMD death index

If   I had no personal interest in the profile, I  would leave it as is. If I  adopted the profile. I would alter the references eg a citation to te 1861 census something like this

1861 census Civil Parish of St. Levan, Eccl. District of St. Levan Class: RG 9; Piece: 1599; Folio: 65; Page: 3; (the GSU roll index is an ancestry ref and can be omitted) image viewable on ancestry, full transcription Susan Hoyle and Mark Hattam , Cornwall OPC http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/61599a.html

For the Free BMD I would refer to the free BMD  site or the free GRO site, (nowadays the latter because it gives age at death, even with the earlier deaths,  though it  requires registration to search and view)

GRO index of deaths DAVEY, JOHN      52    GRO Reference: 1902  J Quarter in TRURO  Volume 05C  Page 107 https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

When I had done this I would be able to remove those ancestry refs with no loss of information.(NB It is my personal decision to use charitable or government sites in preference to Family Search when there is an alternative)

Not sure what I would do about S-1530370364 which redirects to a private tree. Someone could use this to contact the presumably family member so I might leave the link under other sources (but reduce/alter some of the extraneous gumph!  

by Helen Ford G2G6 Pilot (303k points)

Like Helen I try to find a free source that supports the stated fact, but sometimes I don't have time or simply can't find such a source.

In these cases how I would typically handle the Ancestry Family Tree is by clicking on the link and seeing if I can identify the user who 'owns it' and whether it is 'public' or 'private' - in this case "Col Myers" is the owner and it is a private tree

"Private Member Tree", database, Ancestry.com, family tree by [Col Myers] ([http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=53992933&pid=673 link]).

An Ancestry user looking at a public member tree should be able to be more specific identifying the name of the family tree, and the name of the person the link points to, and their outside vital dates.

SIDEBAR: The guideline on acknowledgments says they are usually unnecessary as it is recorded in the change history, but may be retained to acknowledge a substantive contribution to a profile. A 'compromise position' I often adopt is to simply list the gedcom(s) as an additional source - using the acknowledgments section on this profile as an example:

Thank you to Kat Hunt for creating WikiTree profile Davey-292 through the import of Sargeant Family Tree 2.ged on May 5, 2013. Click to the Changes page for the details of edits by Kat and others.

I might replace with

*[[Sargeant-107|Kat Hunt]], GEDCOM, "Sargeant Family Tree 2.ged" (May 5, 2013)

yeah, typically the Ancestry tree references are only viewable by someone with a paid account. If the tree still exists, or is not marked private, then is can possibly still hold some valuable clues for more research, if needed.
Many thanks to you all for taking the time to assist

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